We don't know if attendance will be dwindling for years this could be one off season and that's it.
News Article: Ottawa Senators Organization Actively Considering Building Arena At Lebreton Flats
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We don't know if attendance will be dwindling for years this could be one off season and that's it.
I honestly can't see it getting any better. Most people are waiting till they move to Lebreton. They won't be getting very many new season seat holders until that is done. In my opinion it's only going to be worse until they move.
I know you want to blame the Phoenix Pay System, but I think you are over-stating the effect.
Attendance sucks because of mediocrity. A perennially mediocre hockey team in Kanata with suspect management/ownership is not very competitive in a modern world of longer work hours, smart-phones, cat videos, twitter, porn and Netflix.
DrunkUncleDenis
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It's a wasteland rail yard. In Canada these things happen whenever money shows up. I mean, it is pretty safe to say that native land covered most, if not all, of Canada.
Same situation is happening outside the Caledonia area right now in a housing development. It has been tied up in court for 2 years now.
As you said, money fixes this obstacle pretty quickly.
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Nac Mac Feegle
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I get it, a civilized and ethical society shouldn't screw over anyone. Personal and group rights are valuable.
But....when these disputes are centuries old, and there has been compensation given in the past (in many cases), it's time to start moving forward.
Caeldan
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Let's not get into the politics of first nation rights.
Claim looks like it was made to block another, and at the moment seems that the Lebreton flats area is just collateral damage.
Until we see some reports of it actually impacting negotiations and development, not much more to say on that particular subject
Claim looks like it was made to block another, and at the moment seems that the Lebreton flats area is just collateral damage.
Until we see some reports of it actually impacting negotiations and development, not much more to say on that particular subject
What do you think had a bigger impact?
Some government employees (mostly part-timers, students, shifts workers etc) not getting paid on time.
vs.
Replacing Daniel Alfredsson with Bobby Ryan.
Its not as big of an issue now vs early fall many full time workers were owed $25,000 plus.
DrunkUncleDenis
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I really think you are downplaying the fallout of Phoenix. Goverment workers make up a ton of the middle class population with disposable income in this city. More than any other in Canada by a long shot.
As of December 14, 10,000 people have yet to be reimbursed for missing pay. 95% of cases have been rectified. That is 200,000 employees that were affected.
Edit: To further my point, 868,010 (2011 census, 2016 age numbers don't come out until May) people in the Ottawa-Gatineau region were within the ages of 15-65, which is working age. Not taking into account unemployment and applying the 200,000 employees that were affected by Phoenix to this, that is 23%. Given the number for 2016 will fluctuate, it could be anywhere from 1/5 to 1/4 of the working population of the National Capital Region affected by Phoenix.
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sens2k9
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Actually, even full time workers were either being overpaid or underpaid. I have personally seen at least one example where the "clawback" came during December, and two paycheques in a row were for $0.00.
Its had a HUGE impact in this community.
If 200,000 employees were affected, your math would mean that 2/3 federal government workers had an issue with their pay (200,000 of 300,000 employees)....It was never that high
Here's he source for the 300,000 employee count: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/psm-fpfm/modernizing-modernisation/stats/ssen-ane-eng.asp
Yeah...200 000 was the number of outstanding cases. One employee can have initiated multiple cases.
Almost everyone I know was affected somehow. I won a promotion almost a year ago and still haven't received my raise. I'm still unsure how or when that money will come, many of us are in that same boat. Most of us didn't submit a PAR because we are still getting our base pay and we want people with major problems to have their issues dealt with first, but it has created a ton of uncertainty.
With uncertainty, most people cut entertainment until they are settled.
Micklebot
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Also worth pointing out not all 200 000 cases were for people working in the Ottawa area, although Ottawa does have the bulk of federal jobs.
Not to beat a dead horse on a hockey board, but Phoenix didn't exist a year ago, so your problem is a people/process problem, not a system problem. Your promotion wasn't paid out in the old system either
DrunkUncleDenis
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Cannot speak for the OP, but Phoenix was rolled out to my Fed group mid Feb 2016....the migration of HR/Pay data and ceasing of "in house" HR and compensation functions began in Late 2015.
I would now estimate that roughly 40% of my current work group has some sort of payment issue today as we speak. Personally I have also not been paid out for a promotion which was granted 4 months ago which is the least of my worries, the big concern for me is not being able to add my pregnant wife to my benefits which was submitted 7 months ago with no action and no resolution in sight.
Add to this many employees current CBA expired 3 years ago! All this to say that I will likely be going to a half season for the 17-18 season largely due to the uncertainty of the Phoenix pay system, two other STH's I work with are doing the same.
There is concerns about the tax season some might get hit harder then normal because of the lump some payments.
Fandlauer
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My NFL team ****ed off today. The similarities between San Diego and Ottawa are erie. If Melnyk doesn't get this rink things will get interesting. Hell Melnyk and Spanos even look alike.
The chance he does not get a rink are slim to none while talk in San Diego most said chance of a new stadium were not likely.
PoutineSp00nZ
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Also Bettman will do everything in his power to keep the Senators where they are. Atlanta only moved because there was no intererst with ownership given the cluster**** of that whole situation. With a new arena attached to the Senators soon, i find it highly unlikely that there wouldn't be interested potential owners.
