Post-Game Talk: Ottawa lose 3-2 in OT against Vancouver

[DrEasy]

Lots of good kids 1st year, 2nd year,3rd year guys on this team growing up together.. and now we add Joey Daccord.. to that group . They have a chance to build something pretty special here.

Batherson, Zub, Stutzle, Daccord are great additions to the team. Norris and Brannstrom slowly getting there. I sense that White has another gear in him. Paul is steady. Chabot and Tkachuk obvious building blocks. Just need to spend smart money to add a #1C and a #2D. Shouldn't wait for Sanderson, JBD and Pinto.

 

[SensFactor]

Batherson, Zub, Stutzle, Daccord are great additions to the team. Norris and Brannstrom slowly getting there. I sense that White has another gear in him. Paul is steady. Chabot and Tkachuk obvious building blocks. Just need to spend smart money to add a #1C and a #2D. Shouldn't wait for Sanderson, JBD and Pinto.

Jack Eichel and Dougie Hamilton here we come

 

[Sting]

A couple observations:

As many have stated, Daccord is our #1 goalie.

I continue to see Tkachuk as a 2nd line support player. I don't think he has the talent/speed to be a top offensive threat which he's being asked to do along with Stutzle/Batherson. Hopefully this changes as we grab another top offensive talent in this year's draft so he can transition into that kind of role.

Watching his puck movement on the powerplay, and especially in overtime, you see why. I hope his game evolves...just getting worried about his speed. He looks slow out there.

 

[The Expert]

Why?

I'll gladly take what we did tonight over what the Sabres did tonight (they only had 3 shots on goal at the half way point of that game).

Yeah the idea that it's more fun to get blown out 7-1 than to lose a game in OT after tying it up with the goalie pulled is... something.

 

[aragorn]

A couple observations:

As many have stated, Daccord is our #1 goalie.

I continue to see Tkachuk as a 2nd line support player. I don't think he has the talent/speed to be a top offensive threat which he's being asked to do along with Stutzle/Batherson. Hopefully this changes as we grab another top offensive talent in this year's draft so he can transition into that kind of role.

Watching his puck movement on the powerplay, and especially in overtime, you see why. I hope his game evolves...just getting worried about his speed. He looks slow out there.

If nobody else can do what he does game in & game out & he leads the NHL in a couple of categories he is elite in those categories. Just because it isn't as pretty as Stutzle's plays it works & he continues to lead the team in scoring & pts, he's a unique talent IMO & looks to be the leader this team needs.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

We are still a very young team. The playoffs are out of the picture at this point. I don’t care if we win or lose, I want a good effort and no blowouts. Tonight was great.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

If nobody else can do what he does game in & game out & he leads the NHL in a couple of categories he is elite in those categories. Just because it isn't as pretty as Stutzle's plays it works & he continues to lead the team in scoring & pts, he's a unique talent IMO & looks to be the leader this team needs.

Yup 100%. Listen I love Stützle but you need some diversity. Tkachuk is one of the most unique talents in the league. He affects the game in a lot of ways, including catching goalies off guards with his shots.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[DueDiligence]

Just finished watching. A few thoughts:

- Zub was PHENOMENAL. Dude's confidence in improving every game. He had just one giveaway that I saw (which is like 100 times less than the other defensemen on the team). There's plenty more offense in this guy, can't wait till he starts showing it. I want to see him on the PP, paired with Chabot, old skool formation.

- can't complain about coming back and losing in OT, especially given how well the team played on a back-to-back. Still WTF was that change in OT?

I don't think anyone thought Zub would be this good this fast. Obviously having 2 other Russian players on the team who have been in the NHL for years has really helped him adjust much more quickly.

 

[Yak]

Where do you get this? Chabot changed on his own he was gassed

It was a slowwwwww change also, did not help!

 

[Yak]

Overall I was very happy with the compete level and playing a solid defensive game.

Sticking to it and going to OT against a hot Demoko was a huge bonus.

Love to see more close games like this. Remember though, we can't tend to over analyze every play of this young team their are going to be errors and gaffs always.

Hopefully we get a good rest watch some tape on Demoko and get a win next game!

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

This team would be .500 if we had actual defense to go alongside Chabot and Zub.

It's embarrassing and a damn shame we have to see our young forwards have to worry about creating offense, breaking into the league AND bailing out the defense. A DAMN SHAME.

A couple observations:

As many have stated, Daccord is our #1 goalie.

I continue to see Tkachuk as a 2nd line support player. I don't think he has the talent/speed to be a top offensive threat which he's being asked to do along with Stutzle/Batherson. Hopefully this changes as we grab another top offensive talent in this year's draft so he can transition into that kind of role.

Watching his puck movement on the powerplay, and especially in overtime, you see why. I hope his game evolves...just getting worried about his speed. He looks slow out there.

Agreed partly. Tkachuk will be a mainstay on our first PP cause of his excellent play around the net but his handling of the puck is abysmal at times and he has messed up numerous entries. I think this is a big issue now because our other more "skilled" players are not able or confident to be the carriers yet so Tkachuk is taking a large burden of that role when he isnt supposed to be meant for it.

I also think a huge part of Tkachuk's game relies on his physical separation and strength and that will be more on display when he gets more "man muscle."

 

[Micklebot]

Yeah the idea that it's more fun to get blown out 7-1 than to lose a game in OT after tying it up with the goalie pulled is... something.

I think the idea is when it's a blow out you become apathetic pretty quick, where as in a game like that it's more likely you still feel invested in the game an what not.

Hard to get frustrated by a game if you're 90% tuned out and watchi g the latest trailers for Falcon and the winter soldier on your phone as the goal horn goes off in the background...

 

[JD1]

This team would be .500 if we had actual defense to go alongside Chabot and Zub.

It's embarrassing and a damn shame we have to see our young forwards have to worry about creating offense, breaking into the league AND bailing out the defense. A DAMN SHAME.




Agreed partly. Tkachuk will be a mainstay on our first PP cause of his excellent play around the net but his handling of the puck is abysmal at times and he has messed up numerous entries. I think this is a big issue now because our other more "skilled" players are not able or confident to be the carriers yet so Tkachuk is taking a large burden of that role when he isnt supposed to be meant for it.

I also think a huge part of Tkachuk's game relies on his physical separation and strength and that will be more on display when he gets more "man muscle."

I'm not going to say that our D is awesome but our young forwards are not much help in our zone and really need to learn to play defence at the nhl level. It's easier to learn to play D than for a Connor Brown type to generate offence. We've got a half dozen forwards that are not consistently moving the puck out of our zone and it is costing us

 

[maclean]

could've been the feelgood story of the month, the white retribution arc had me pumped, pity we're instead having to throw blame around

 

[Back in Black]

Hey, they got a point. That's not a loss in my books....

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I'm not going to say that our D is awesome but our young forwards are not much help in our zone and really need to learn to play defence at the nhl level. It's easier to learn to play D than for a Connor Brown type to generate offence. We've got a half dozen forwards that are not consistently moving the puck out of our zone and it is costing us

No doubt - but the D is still horrendous. Everyone plays a bit worse when they realize they won't get a breakout for shit and they'll likely have to provide layers of support in their own side of the the red line just to move the puck up ice.

People remember 08/09 Senators? All those two way forwards and defensively responsible players but we couldn't do anything cause our D breakouts were horrendous.

Also, to your point, the last few games the defensive system and system at large is completely falling apart. D.J has to be held accountable. We are seeing some terrible systematic blunders.

On another note, is anyone else as furious as I am the amount of times we hard ring the puck around the boards in the offensive zone and totally lose position when half the time the other Senator is only a few feet away and it completely blows by him? Wtf.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Tkachuk and Stutzle could have had multiple points this game. Demko was just a beast.

 

[SensFan1010]

Am i the only one who cant stand mike johnson commentating. Feel like 90% of what this guy says is just non sense

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Am i the only one who cant stand mike johnson commentating. Feel like 90% of what this guy says is just non sense

He was good when he first started but now he's become obnoxious as if he is the only option they got.

 

[Micklebot]

The biggest problem with Chabot's change to me was that the bench appeared to have no idea he was making it. Probably would not have mattered but the guy getting on didn't look ready at all, and that's on Chabot as he did not appear to communicate his intent to change.

Tkachuk's defending on the odd man rush was attrocious, for all the focus on Chabot's bad change, we still had two guys on the right side of the puck, though Batherson was too far over to do anything useful (i guess he was defending the left side in case the Van defender decided to rush, but I'd have prefered it if he come towards the middle of the ice a bit).

It sucks that the game ended like that but bad changes are bound to happen in OT when you double shift guys who have already played 30 mins on the tail end of a back to back.

 

[Xspyrit]

Why do we always need to find scapegoats? This is a stupid exercise this year, the team is poor in general (able to hold their ground at home though) and most players deserve a bit of blame but to me coaching/management are the ones who built this and "manage" them.

Thomas Chabot is by far the best player on this team, this is not even close. Batherson, Tkachuk and Stutzle are progressing and will challenge him soon but if you don't think that, you might not understand hockey as much as you'd like to think. Yes he has made several mistakes this year but basically everybody does. There's several problems in the defensive structure, hockey systems and breakout strategies but I guess not since the coaching staff make this team so much better by getting them to go balls through the wall.

*reads too much into this*

omg they dont think Murray has swagger or confidence!!!

Swagger or not, he has 1 win in 5 games (20% Win percentage while Murray has 7 wins in 20 games, 35% Win percentage) and has given up 3 goals or more in 5 of his 6 games (5 games and 2 periods actually). The problem is not at home, our goalies are doing fine on home ice (minus Hogberg small sample size). The problem and I repeat, is on the road, Daccord has the best SV% there with 0.887 (small sample size), which I think will go down even more if he gets more games on the road against good teams and the Sens continue to play like they usally did this season, so exactly like it happened vs Edmonton friday

Fans reaction are not controllable but If players also fuel a Murray vs Daccord debate, we're not out of the woods lol. I live in Montreal and I don't think there's anything I heard talked about more than Price vs other goalies... Price vs Huet, vs Halak, vs Niemi, vs Allen, etc. Rookie mistake by Norris I guess.

Chabot wasn't the one who got walked. It's a reach to blame Chabot for the play of his teammates.

Furthermore, Chabot was right there at the bench; he was closer to the bench than Tkachuk and they were both out there for the entire OT period.

Was it a bad change? Perhaps, but Miller busted in through 2 of our players, so we were technically setup accordingly, and should have been able to compensate.

Tkachuk played it poorly and got beat. 3 on 3 you just can't get beat, of course. Everytime someone gets beat it create a lot of time and space.

 

[SENATOR]

- The transition game and defensive zone exits have to be worked on. Vancouver does it so easy. And their defense is not better. Total DJ Smith's fault not to install the NHL system. Beer league.

-Stutzle is the best faceoff specialist on the team. Won all three faceoffs he took last night. I do not understand the idiocy behind it, not to develop him as a center. The kid is a pass first mentality player and his puck distribution skills are off the charts. The puck will travel less time for him with crisp passes, when he will play center. There will be more offensive time for his line. And finally Dadonov will have a driver, to score goals and win games. You can add Batherson to that line or Tkachuk and voilà, the first line is complete. I am not sure what it takes to play Stutzle as a center for DJ Smith, kick in a butt??

-Brannstrom has to play, Reilly has to sit or put on wavers. Again, he was the worst dman last night.

- Do not play a waiting game with RFA Zub to pinch pennies, just sign the guy and offer him a decent contract 2/3 years at 3.5 million per year.
Zub should be in somehow long term plans, or Dorion has to go.

- White's blunder is completely on DJ Smith. No system to start breakouts. I am not sure what would it take for DJ Smith to practice zone exits. I mean it is 101 for dummies as an NHL coach to install the system and the crucial part are breakouts. What the fukc is wrong with this guy?

 

[cudi]

Swagger or not, he has 1 win in 5 games (20% Win percentage while Murray has 7 wins in 20 games, 35% Win percentage) and has given up 3 goals or more in 5 of his 6 games (5 games and 2 periods actually). The problem is not at home, our goalies are doing fine on home ice (minus Hogberg small sample size). The problem and I repeat, is on the road, Daccord has the best SV% there with 0.887 (small sample size), which I think will go down even more if he gets more games on the road against good teams and the Sens continue to play like they usally did this season, so exactly like it happened vs Edmonton friday

Fans reaction are not controllable but If players also fuel a Murray vs Daccord debate, we're not out of the woods lol. I live in Montreal and I don't think there's anything I heard talked about more than Price vs other goalies... Price vs Huet, vs Halak, vs Niemi, vs Allen, etc. Rookie mistake by Norris I guess.

Cmooooon we gotta read way to much in to these comments and create a goalie controversy like the Tugnutt and Rhodes days! We have the right jerseys for it.

 

[foggyvisor]

Cmooooon we gotta read way to much in to these comments and create a goalie controversy like the Tugnutt and Rhodes days! We have the right jerseys for it.

Douchebag Goalies
- Damian Rhodes
- Tom Barrasso
- Dom Hasket

Nice Guy Goalies
- Ron Tugnutt
- Patrick Lalime
- Joey D'Accord