MurrayBannerman
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The only good comp for him seems to be Al Horford. I want to make Derrick Favors work as a comp, but Favors doesn't shoot from the outside. So I guess it's more Horford or poor man's Horford.
If you watched a lot of Duke last year, Bagley commanded the double teams in the post. Carter took advantage of it. He got a lot of one on one looks down low. When a superior defensive team like UVA (minus UMBC) played Duke at Cameron, Carter was neutralized. However, Bagley still dominated. Portis developed an outside shot. Let's hope Carter will too. Until he does, he'll be a liability on offense.That's still a significantly better version of Bobby Portis. Bobby is a big, slow, wing player with how he plays. Carter took most of his shots in the low post. Bobby just gets brutalized every time he ventures down there.
Favors is more athletic than Carter. Someone said Carter reminds of Boozer. I don't think so. Can Carter be Joakim Noah with a better shot? I don't think he's anything near the perimeter defender Noah was.The only good comp for him seems to be Al Horford. I want to make Derrick Favors work as a comp, but Favors doesn't shoot from the outside. So I guess it's more Horford or poor man's Horford.
Favors is more athletic than Carter. Someone said Carter reminds of Boozer. I don't think so. Can Carter be Joakim Noah with a better shot? I don't think he's anything near the perimeter defender Noah was.
Maybe Carter can turn out to be like Al Jefferson or a Gortat? Horford would be the most optimal scenario. Carter is going to get wide and strong as an ox as he gets older. The later stronger version Taj Gibson? Enes Kanter?
Carter is going to be a decent NBA player. The kid works hard. He's also extremely intelligent. He's a good teammate. He's just not going to move the needle a ton for the Bulls. He's not the playmaker at the wing that the Bulls sorely need. He neither the rim protector nor finisher.So basically it was a **** pick?
Carter is going to be a decent NBA player. The kid works hard. He's also extremely intelligent. He's a good teammate. He's just not going to move the needle a ton for the Bulls. He's not the playmaker at the wing that the Bulls sorely need. He neither the rim protector nor finisher either.
He's the typical Bulls pick. McDermott, Portis, Valentine, and Markannen. Hard working / great attitude type of players. Let's hope Carter becomes more like Markannen. However, odds are that he will be closer to Portis, McDermott, and Valentine. When was the last time the Bulls drafted a high ceiling athletic talent? Jimmy Butler? Maybe. Derrick Rose? It's just GarPax being GarPax.
I'm just going to say that I think you're really underselling Carter, especially defensively. This isn't a pick I thought I'd be fiercely defending, but here we are.Carter is going to be a decent NBA player. The kid works hard. He's also extremely intelligent. He's a good teammate. He's just not going to move the needle a ton for the Bulls. He's not the playmaker at the wing that the Bulls sorely need. He neither the rim protector nor finisher.
He's the typical Bulls pick. McDermott, Portis, Valentine, and Markannen. Hard working / great attitude type of players. Let's hope Carter becomes more like Markannen. However, odds are that he will be closer to Portis, McDermott, and Valentine. When was the last time the Bulls drafted a high ceiling athletic talent? Jimmy Butler? Maybe. Derrick Rose? It's just GarPax being GarPax.
TRUST ME, I HOPE I AM WRONG. I got the Trubisky trade and selection. The Bears needed to swing for the fences. I just don't understand how Carter fits in the big picture. I agree he'll be a decent player. IMO, Carter isn't the rim protector / finisher that the Bulls can use with Lauri. He's not really quick of foot to be a decent perimeter defender against large wings. So the best case scenario is he becomes a good shooter / passer / strong rebounder.I'm just going to say that I think you're really underselling Carter, especially defensively. This isn't a pick I thought I'd be fiercely defending, but here we are.
I feel Marc Gasol is a good comp for Wendell.The only good comp for him seems to be Al Horford. I want to make Derrick Favors work as a comp, but Favors doesn't shoot from the outside. So I guess it's more Horford or poor man's Horford.
I could be completely wrong. I hope I am. It's all a guessing game.Some of these posts, you guys are going to be awfully surprised by WCJ next season. I really really highly disagree with some of the things being said in here.
I’ll just let it all play out.
To be clear I never stated Doncic would literally be the #1 pick, what I meant is he is my consensus #1 player on the board and it’s wasnt even a discussion for me and a year later it’s still not close. Top 2 selections basically depended on who got the draft pick and two trash organizations ended up with them.I could be completely wrong. I hope I am. It's all a guessing game.
However, you also said Doncic is guaranteed to be the first pick in the draft. He was passed by his former Slovenian coach on the Suns and 2 Serbs who help run the Kings. That's pretty concerning.
And I agreed with you later ... that Doncic could be best player in the draft due to his position and performance in the European Championships last summer. I still like Donic. However, NOTHING is for certain when forecasting prospects ... especially for a project who was picked #7. Mo Bamba was picked ahead of Carter ... and we all know how big of a project he is.
That said, Carter can be good if he learns to shoot. However, that's still a big IF. It's also a big IF for Bagley, Bamba, Jackson, Ayton, and Williams (attitude issues). However, Bagley, Bamba, Jackson, Ayton, and Williams are all athletic freaks. Carter plays more below the rim.
You might be very well be right. However, you did say Doncic would be the #1 pick. You also said he would be a NBA all star right now. Maybe he is ... however, there appears to be a lot of questions surrounding Doncic. He's lucky to be playing for Carlisle. However, Doncic won't see the floor in his rookie year IF he doesn't play defense for Rick. I say this as a Doncic fan. I believe his upside is just as good as any prospect in the draft.To be clear I never stated Doncic would literally be the #1 pick, what I meant is he is my consensus #1 player on the board and it’s wasnt even a discussion for me and a year later it’s still not close. Top 2 selections basically depended on who got the draft pick and two trash organizations ended up with them.
Kings and Suns are going to look like fools, they should’ve drafted Doncic #1.
Some of these posts, you guys are going to be awfully surprised by WCJ next season.
All of the praise I have given Doncic I stand by, I think he's the best prospect to come out since Lebron. I have no issues with his defense whatsoever he was one of the best defenders in all of Europe, he had great positioning and effort. Again, I never said Doncic WOULD go #1, I have always said that he was the best player in the draft and nothing the college players do would ever change this.You might be very well be right. However, you did say Doncic would be the #1 pick. You also said he would be a NBA all star right now. Maybe he is ... however, there appears to be a lot of questions surrounding Doncic. He's lucky to be playing for Carlisle. However, Doncic won't see the floor in his rookie year IF he doesn't play defense for Rick. I say this as a Doncic fan. I believe his upside is just as good as any prospect in the draft.
And didn't I say being a high first round pick has a lot more factors than just talent? There's a business angle. There's relationships, especially agents. There's perception (risk / reward). There's roster management. It goes on and on.
We'll see how Doncic teams with Smith, Barnes, and Dirk. The Mavs better pray DeAndre Jordan opts out and signs with them. That defense is going to suck.
That can't be trueKevin O'Connor of The Ringer said the Bulls' promise to Hutchinson prevented them from moving up for Doncic or JJJ. That's downright incompetent.
I sure hope not. Not knowledgeable enough with NBA FOs to refute.That can't be true
He's the typical Bulls pick. McDermott, Portis, Valentine, and Markannen. Hard working / great attitude type of players. Let's hope Carter becomes more like Markannen. However, odds are that he will be closer to Portis, McDermott, and Valentine. When was the last time the Bulls drafted a high ceiling athletic talent? Jimmy Butler? Maybe. Derrick Rose? It's just GarPax being GarPax.
That's also a fair assessment. You need a balance of both. When you look at our last 5 first round picks (McDermott, Portis, Valentine, Markannen, Carter), 4/5 were under the basket type players minus Lauri. And let's be honest, I don't think even the Bulls thought Lauri was this good of an athlete. I know the rest of the NBA didn't.Butler wasn't a high ceiling, athletic pick, he was in the same mold as Portis, McDermott, ect.. Here's DraftExpress on him:
"The Texas native is not a freak athlete, or the type of player you'll see on an ESPN highlight reel any time soon. He does not have the pedigree of a future NBA All-Star. His physical tools are fairly average, and he still needs to develop certain parts of his skill set, namely his shooting consistency from the beyond the arc, to maximize his value...
His athleticism won't allow him to create consistently one-on-one at the next level, but he's a functional ball-handler who can take what defenders give him."
I think there's a lot more value in taking supposedly "safe" picks as opposed to the obsession of upside and athleticism that more often pushes questionable basketball players up draft boards.