Orr and Brown
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Turk Broda
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QFT. Without Orr in the lineup, this team gets pushed around perhaps more than any other team in the league.
All this talk of Orr and Lucic made me go look up the video of their fight in 2010. I liked Orr already, but like him even more after seeing that! Both Brown and Orr are useful pieces that I would like to to see get more playing time. The problem with this team rests with players that are paid much more than these two.
Regarding the OP's question of redundancy: They are in different weight categories so no redundancy.
Regarding the OP's question of redundancy: They are in different weight categories so no redundancy.
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It seems to keep some players honest. Without Orr in the lineup, other teams take more runs at our more skilled guys, at least that's how I see it. I think the Buffalo game is a good example. Do you honestly think Kaleta and Ott would play the same without Orr on the ice?
Exactly..for some reason a lot of posters here do not understand that if there is no deterrent Teams will mark it up on the chalkboard before the game and in every intermission saying RUN KESSEL RUN GARDNER AND BATTLE in front of the net no one is going to do anything about it..
Then Kessel for instance will stay on the perimeter and be a non factor..Don't believe me??? Watch last years Boston games
Then Kessel for instance will stay on the perimeter and be a non factor..Don't believe me??? Watch last years Boston games
Right,each team gets to injure one of our goalies and then we don't have to waste that all important three minutes or endure a staged fight.
The idea is to prevent teams from running our goalies not punish them afterwards. Goalies get run because the other team believes that your team will do nothing about it. If you do not respond, the bullying will continue. I can not see why this is such a difficult concept for you to grasp.
Not the point. If you do not respond to a blatant provocation it will quickly escalate. The quickest response is a tough guy. You have to show that you are willing and able to play any type of a game the opposition wants.
Brown as much as i like him is not a guy who's presence in the line up is going to deter guys from taking runs and dirty hits at the Leafs top players you know who does(Orr).
Agreed, I eventually replace him as he is a tweener- not an intimidating fighter but not a great PKer or shutdown defender. He is,however, a willing fighter that takes care of rats(Downie,Ott,etc) and is therefore worthy of a spot right now until we get bigger and tougher and more talented.
So Lucic runs around just as much with Orr in the lineup? Orr has an impact.
I'm guessing most guys that are undermining Orrs impact haven't played the game. Ask the guys that have played. Ask the Leafs if they like the fact Orr has their back. Intimidation is a HUGE part of hockey. It's tough to explain for those that haven't played.
Can anyone here list some of the other team's fourth lines and maybe ice times?
Would the posters stating that these two players are a waste of a roster spot because of their limited ice time agree that they may be more useful if given more minutes.Say,7-9 mins per game like most other fourth lines in the league.
How can these two guys be expected to be into the game and contribute more playing 3-4 minutes.I don't think either has been on the ice for a goal against.Maybe the other teams are keeping their top guys off the ice when Orr and Brown are on the ice.if that is the case,more minutes=less time for the opponents top players=less chance of scoring.
Would the posters stating that these two players are a waste of a roster spot because of their limited ice time agree that they may be more useful if given more minutes.Say,7-9 mins per game like most other fourth lines in the league.
How can these two guys be expected to be into the game and contribute more playing 3-4 minutes.I don't think either has been on the ice for a goal against.Maybe the other teams are keeping their top guys off the ice when Orr and Brown are on the ice.if that is the case,more minutes=less time for the opponents top players=less chance of scoring.
How did your big scary intimidation theory with Colton Orr being in the lineup, who was just waived right through the entire NHL, work out for the Leafs last night? And how about Orr beating that big Yeti from Buffalo Scott how did that work out for the leafs on the scoreboard?
Goons don't even play in the playoffs anymore that's how irrelevant they are now they are a liability and are scatched. During the regular season they are nothing more than a sideshow they don't intimidate anyone.
There's another thread going here about Leafs fans being the worst in the NHL this thread right here with crazed leafs fans supporting irrelevant on ice goon activity is another good example of why it's true.
How did your big scary intimidation theory with Colton Orr being in the lineup, who was just waived right through the entire NHL, work out for the Leafs last night? And how about Orr beating that big Yeti from Buffalo Scott how did that work out for the leafs on the scoreboard?
Goons don't even play in the playoffs anymore that's how irrelevant they are now they are a liability and are scatched. During the regular season they are nothing more than a sideshow they don't intimidate anyone.
There's another thread going here about Leafs fans being the worst in the NHL this thread right here with crazed leafs fans supporting irrelevant on ice goon activity is another good example of why it's true.
The Leafs probably would have won that game if Miller didn't play so well.
It seems to me that the last couple of cups were won by the team that was the most intimidating.Sure there is limited fighting in the play-offs,but lately the tougher teams have been winning.
Westgrath, Parros, Scott, Crombeen, Labrie, Rupp, Shelly, Setisto are known for something than more then fighting?
Dude just stop it, we need some toughness in the line up. Brown and Orr are fine, and are not a liability. That's how its going to be with Randy as the coach, if you don't like go watch another team. The East is getting tougher and we need to keep up and not be pushed around.
Dude just stop it, we need some toughness in the line up. Brown and Orr are fine, and are not a liability. That's how its going to be with Randy as the coach, if you don't like go watch another team. The East is getting tougher and we need to keep up and not be pushed around.
Yea cause players like Lucic, and Neil come by easily? What's so wrong with Orr. He plays his role, improved his skating and over all play but our sissy fans keep crapping on him. I never understood the softness of our fan base.
This ^ excellent post heart and soul team leaders like Lucic & Neil who can fight to backup a team mate if there has been an attempt to injure AND score goals.
IMHO Lucic is a much better fighter now than when he first fought Orr expect a rematch fight fans if Orr is still in the NHL.
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And you believe that a goon fighting the other team's goon in a staged fight will accomplish this? Seriously?
It might be a good experiment to let these guys play on another line for a couple of games to see what kind of impact they could have.Move one at a time to the third line and have 2 tough lines .What could it hurt,it's not like we're in a play-off race.
Wouldn't be too many defencemen moving Orr from the front of the net.
I believe these two players have been on the ice for an average of 5 mins a game,Orr with 3 fights,Brown with 4.I wonder what they were doing on the ice during these 5 minutes since the clock doesn't run during a fight?
Well, there's your problem Bud. He was not in the lineup. He was sent to the minors by that master strategist Wilson. Why was it that when he was in the lineup the year before, Lucic was a non-factor and Leafs won majority of their games against Bruins. Last year with Brown and Rosehil they lost all the games.
It's interesting how he still managed to get almost 6 mins of icetime with the Leafs for that game (Oct 20th, 2011), while he was supposedly with the Marlies.
Well aren't we the little nit-picker. Okay then, after Orr was sent down how did the team fare? I recall a lot of being on the wrong end of the cheapshots, the physical play and our smaller players were running scared, especially Kessel. If you are OK with all this, fine, but do not try to tell me that Orr does not make a difference.
