Ongoing Powerplay Discussion

[piqued]

Val never looked particularly good on the PP. His absence is the least of our problems.

 

[Dr Pepper]

And what better way for a rookie to improve on a deficient part of his game, than to never ever see that situation in real-game action? All the while, watching less talented players who are given boatloads of opportunity, yield similar results.

 

[Mr Misty]

And what better way for a rookie to improve on a deficient part of his game, than to never ever see that situation in real-game action? All the while, watching less talented players who are given boatloads of opportunity, yield similar results.

Blah blah veterans blah blah pay your dues blah blah earn it blah blah we're immune to being fired somehow

 

[beepeearr]

Val never looked particularly good on the PP. His absence is the least of our problems.

He was hardly ever on it, and almost never on the top unit. Do remember him getting a beauty of a tap in from right side from a Seguin pass one game though...why isn't seguin on the half wall...hate hate our PP

 

[piqued]

Sure he was. He played the same amount Chiasson did.

I'm not saying Val can't be a good contributor in the future. But there's really no reason to think his absence right now is negatively effecting it.

As for tonight's game...

I love Trevor Daley. I think he's a valuable part of the Dallas Stars.

Trevor Daley has no ****ing business being the sole Dman on a 5-3. Whoever thought that's a good idea is abjectly incompetent at evaluating hockey players.

Why is this allowed to continue? Who is at the top of the organization? Does Nill watch what unfolds and think, "Wow, can't believe that didn't work out, the coaches surely picked the right strategy there!" Does he think it's not his place to interfere or make changes in the middle of a season? Is it business as usual in the Old Boys' Club? What does he say when he meets with the coaching staff?

What does it take to get real change?

 

[Troy McClure]

Go back and read Ruff's quote from a few days ago when asked about Klingberg on the PP. This design is as much Ruff as Fraser.

 

[JeffP]

call Toronto and at the very least get a competent backup that will push the pace for kari :\

 

[FrailSwan]

Whatever the case, Nill needs to be the one to man up and fix this abomination. Fire Fraser, bring in an ACTUAL PP/PK specialist, and tell Ruff to stay the **** away from it and let the new coach do what he's supposed to do.

Is that so hard to do? Yes, yes it is. Because we're the ****** Dallas Stars.

 

[dechire]

Firmly in 26th place. Unfortunately it'll be tough to beat out the bottom feeders for last place in the league which is what I'm assuming we'd need to be before we fire ****ing Fraser.

 

[Stars99Lobo37]

Under Fraser:
2012-13: 29 goals in 171 tries (17.0%); good for 18th
2013-14: 46 goals in 290 tries (15.9%); good for 23rd
Not counting tonight...2014-2015: 25 goals in 167 tries (15.0%); good for 26th

 

[piqued]

Having good personnel has made this even more infuriating. In the past we could say "Oh, but we don't have this", "Oh but we don't have that".

There's no reason with the talent on the roster the Stars shouldn't be hovering around a 20% success rate.

If you wiped all their memories of any coaching before the game and told them to pick their own units I swear it would be more successful.

 

[crymez]

Fraser needs to be fired. He's a pathetic excuse for a special teams coach, our PP is progressively declining year by year, yet as a team our offensive talent keeps increasing year by year. Terrible coach. Not to mention he has an extremely punchable face. Get rid of him. Over 2 minutes of 5 on 3 time tonight with no result. A 5 minute major that was extremely laughable and generated nothing. If not for an extraordinary individual effort by Seguin we get blanked on that as well. Fraser needs to go now.

 

[Stars99Lobo37]

With the goal tonight...we improve to 15.1%!!!! YESSS!

 

[SonicSpeedDash]

But will he get fired? No. Why? Because this team is cursed to stay in limbo forever.

 

[Hull Fan]

Sure he was. He played the same amount Chiasson did.

What? Chiasson had 265 minutes PP/TOI. Chiasson averaged 3:21 of pp time/game.

Nuke had 104 minutes PP/TOI and never saw the power play till like 30 games into the season. Val had 1:19 per game.

They most definitely did not play the same amount. Chiasson was on the 1st unit pretty much the entire season. Val mostly played on the 2nd, when he played on it at all.

 

[David Castillo]

Under Fraser:
2012-13: 29 goals in 171 tries (17.0%); good for 18th
2013-14: 46 goals in 290 tries (15.9%); good for 23rd
Not counting tonight...2014-2015: 25 goals in 167 tries (15.0%); good for 26th

The punctuation mark to this troll biscuit sandwich:
The Dallas Stars in each season in Goals For...
2012-2013: 12th at a rate of 2.67
2013-2014: 10th at a rate of 2.82
2014-2015: 4th at a rate of 3.06

The personnel has gotten better, and all he's done with these new toys is stick them in the microwave and set it to defrost.

 

[beltjones]

The PP ineffectiveness is the same reason for the 4 on 4 ineffectiveness is the same reason Dallas can score on rushes but not when cycling the puck.

Puck movement.

If I see one more pass to Sequin's skates I'm going to throw up.

One more no-look pass to a guy who isn't there: Puke.

One more "saucer" pass that lands with a puck rolling and bouncing over the stick of the guy supposed to be receiving it: Puke.

One more recipient coasting alongside a defender instead of hustling to the open ice to receive the puck: Puke.

People criticize this team for passing too much, especially on the power play, but it's because every pass is a bad one, and bad passes don't lead to good shots, so you simply see more bad passes.

Yeah, and the PP is moronic. Seguin should be our Ovechkin, period. He shouldn't be hustling to find creative ways for Daley to try to score.

 

[Verbal Kint]

I think Demers should get a shot at being in #1pp. He has a powerful shot and is RHD.

 

[TrillMike]

#FireFraser

 

[Elysian]

I think Demers should get a shot at being in #1pp. He has a powerful shot and is RHD.

And the most important thing to Ruff... He's a veteran.

 

[Troy McClure]

And the most important thing to Ruff... He's a veteran.

Sorry. Not possible. Lindy Ruff is going to try something different next game: four forwards and Daley.

 

[Kipper 17]

Klingberg should be QB'ing the 1st PP unit every single time. He is our most creative and offensively gifted defenseman by a very large margin. His ability to get a point shot through blockers and on net is the best on the team, including the forwards.

And Spezza should be the PP coach, seems every time he draws up a play it results in a scoring chance.

 

[dechire]

Out of curiosity I looked up the PP points of 6 players and compared last year's totals to this year's. Surprisingly those players are on pace for a total of 84 points which is higher than last year's total of 78. The difference comes from the addition of Spezza (on pace for 20 PP points) but the loss of Whitney, Gonchar and Chiasson (combined for 42 PP points). If everyone plays approximately the same as they did last year we'll still have fewer points because no one is compensating for the points we lost. We just don't have the personnel right now to have a vastly improved PP unless everyone overachieves.

 

[Kipper 17]

Out of curiosity I looked up the PP points of 6 players and compared last year's totals to this year's. Surprisingly those players are on pace for a total of 84 points which is higher than last year's total of 78. The difference comes from the addition of Spezza (on pace for 20 PP points) but the loss of Whitney, Gonchar and Chiasson (combined for 42 PP points). If everyone plays approximately the same as they did last year we'll still have fewer points because no one is compensating for the points we lost. We just don't have the personnel right now to have a vastly improved PP unless everyone overachieves.

The offense is top 5 in the league, there is room for vast improvement on the PP. The problem isn't the personnel that have left, its that Fraser is still coaching the PP.

 

[dechire]

The offense is top 5 in the league, there is room for vast improvement on the PP. The problem isn't the personnel that have left, its that Fraser is still coaching the PP.

The question isn't whether there's room for improvement. Obviously there is. The question is how that change is supposed to come. I want Fraser to be fired but if he isn't you can't look at the players and say they're underachieving. They aren't. That's the point I was trying to make. It doesn't matter who plays on the PP units and complaining about one player over another doesn't make a difference. It's the PP itself that's flawed and it doesn't help that we lost players that were good on the PP. Adding Spezza might be the only reason we're not 30th on the PP right now and even with him we're worse.

Ultimately we're both agreeing that Fraser needs to be fired but I'm just trying to explain why the PP is worse when our offense is better and why playing Klingberg over Daley for example is ultimately not going to make much of a difference.