On Therrien, Accountability, and the Habs Unproductive Powerplay

[Nynja*]

This ****ing moron needs to be canned as soon as game 4 is done. Im not even expecting a win, he needs to go into his office after the game and see the pink slip just waiting there

 

[TheBlindFan]

The moron is bringing us closer to the cup then anytime before since 1993.

You don't like that?

 

[NobleSix]

The moron is bringing us closer to the cup then anytime before since 1993.

You don't like that?

How dare you refer to Carey Price as a moron.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

This ****ing moron needs to be canned as soon as game 4 is done. Im not even expecting a win, he needs to go into his office after the game and see the pink slip just waiting there

Never happen.

But if they lose tomorrow, and next season isn't going too great, he's definitely on the block.

 

[ProspectsFanatic]

Its not MT fault, its because "da players didnt gave their best effort" and/or "they didnt follow the game plan"
Never questions MT decisions.

 

[Nynja*]

The moron is bringing us closer to the cup then anytime before since 1993.

You don't like that?

Why, because we finished second overall? How good is "da record" now?

 

[bsl]

For the record, I don't think our forward group is great, but it's not as bad as people have said. We DEFINITELY need a top winger and that has been well known. It's a big hole. But one big hole doesn't mean that the rest of the forwards suck.

And btw, if our forward group is weak... all the more reason not to employ a stifiling system that will make our offense more ineffective, esp when we've got lots of firepower on the backend. And we do make the problem even worse with DD's usage...

Agreed. Good point.

 

[DAChampion]

We're actually no closer to the cup than we got under Jacques Martin.

Martin won 12 playoff games in three years. Therrien - with a much better roster - won 13 playoff games in three years.

 

[bsl]

We're actually no closer to the cup than we got under Jacques Martin.

Martin won 12 playoff games in three years. Therrien - with a much better roster - won 13 playoff games in three years.

Quoted For Truth.

 

[jaffy27]

Why, because we finished second overall? How good is "da record" now?

Well Rangers finished 1st overall and are about to be ousted from the playoffs....how is their record now.....Vigneault must be an idiot of a coach then right!

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

Well Rangers finished 1st overall and are about to be ousted from the playoffs....how is their record now.....Vigneault must be an idiot of a coach then right!

You really think it's the stats that are pissing people off with MT? Give your head a shake.

 

[ECWHSWI]

The moron is bringing us closer to the cup then anytime before since 1993.

You don't like that?

Jacques Martin brought us to the ECF too...

 

[JoelWarlord]

Honestly would prefer Jacques Martin. At least his hockey was boring for a genuine reason. I'd prefer an actual defensive system that's boring to watch to this year's "defensive system" that amounted to Carey Price playing like God. Also wonder if maybe he'd play it differently with the current roster, Martin's Ottawa teams back in the Spezza/Alfredsson/Heatley days were very high scoring and weren't really the conservative style that he's known for. Martin seems to be able to adjust based on his roster, he used boring conservative hockey to squeeze every drop out of some really bad late 90's Sens teams, and some mediocre Habs teams. This Habs roster is much better than the early Senators or ~2009ish Habs where Martin played a defensive style.

I also think Martin is better with young players than he gets credit for. Consider how Martin used a 21 year old rookie PK Subban. Martin figured out really quickly just how good Subban was, and as a 21 year old rookie Subban was used as our #1D, on the first PP and PK waves, and played in essentially the same situations that season as the Predators used Weber. On the other hand, a Norris winning Subban gets benched periodically and it's taken 3 years to get him killing penalties under Therrien.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yeah, I took the eye test, and the results were "our gameplan is ****ing stupid".


Jump to 26:42, straight out of the horses ****ing mouth:

"we have to cut wide and put pucks at the net, theres gonna be a rebound and make sure you're there [in the slot to bank it in]" "we are a grinding team, if you dont accept it, we dont have success"

**** YOU THERRIEN

Great find! This is exactly what I can't stand about our "system." Listen to what he says here:

“We try to be fancy, we try to be cute... we try to be the team that we’re not...”
“North south quick! You don’t try to slow down the game we want to go there as quick as we can. Chip and chase!”
“We are a grinding team. Accept it! Because if we don’t we don’t have success. Accept it. Do it!”

Yet we hear from some posters that this isn't the gameplan.

The guy just coaches all the offense out of our team. It really puts what Marinaro said last night in an interesting light too... the players do not what to play this system. It's being foisted upon them by a guy who has zero idea on what to do with skilled players. "Accept it. Do it!" It's basically forced on them and that's why I think he hates a player like Lars Eller.

 

[JoelWarlord]

How do you blame Therrien? Of course we're a grinding team, we can't do anything else! Look at this list of stone handed plugs:

• Subban
• Vanek
• Pacioretty
• Markov
• Plekanec
• Gallagher
• Gionta
• Briere
• Galchenyuk
• Beaulieu
• Eller
• Desharnais
• Ryder
• Gonchar
• Diaz
• Petry
• Gilbert
• Sekac
• Parenteau
• Bournival
• Andrighetto
• Thomas
• Sekac

How are we supposed to do anything other than grind with a bunch of coke machines like that?!?

 

[jwrocks1]

How do you blame Therrien? How is he supposed to get plugs like Markov, Subban, Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, Desharnais, Parenteau, Gallagher, Gilbert, Petry, Eller, Plekanec, and Pacioretty to play a skill game?

I know right? Give him actual pieces that can produce points...


seriously though, when your PP has a lower % than Eklund does on guessing trade rumours.....you're doing a really poor job.

And that is just ONE example of poor coaching adjustments

 

[JayKing]

The moron is bringing us closer to the cup then anytime before since 1993.

You don't like that?

He's brought us as far as Jacques Martin did in 2010.

 

[Smokey Thompson]

Its not MT fault, its because "da players didnt gave their best effort" and/or "they didnt follow the game plan"
Never questions MT decisions.

But he actually said "da players gave deir best effort", as in he thinks his team should've won again, as in he has absolutely no clue as to WHY his team can't beat the Bolts.

 

[Smokey Thompson]

I know right? Give him actual pieces that can produce points...


seriously though, when your PP has a lower % than Eklund does on guessing trade rumours.....you're doing a really poor job.

And that is just ONE example of poor coaching adjustments

What adjustments? Honestly there are no adjustments that need to be made.

- Michel Therrien

 

[habalifeok]

But he actually said "da players gave deir best effort", as in he thinks his team should've won again, as in he has absolutely no clue as to WHY his team can't beat the Bolts.

Well from a western who has seen the Habs play its not hard to see why they cant beat TBL. All season long Montreal scored a miniscule amount of goals against TB. All of a sudden they will score more in the playoffs ? Now I am shocked that the Rangers have quit scoring in the playoffs, very uncharacteristic of the Rags.
The Habs just have no puck luck as the post saved TB once again.
I think the bright lights of Montreal have blinded you folks to the fact that the Habs have a mediocre top6 at best and need luck on their side to score.

 

[Smokey Thompson]

Well from a western who has seen the Habs play its not hard to see why they cant beat TBL. All season long Montreal scored a miniscule amount of goals against TB. All of a sudden they will score more in the playoffs ? Now I am shocked that the Rangers have quit scoring in the playoffs, very uncharacteristic of the Rags.
The Habs just have no puck luck as the post saved TB once again.
I think the bright lights of Montreal have blinded you folks to the fact that the Habs have a mediocre top6 at best and need luck on their side to score.

I see you're in the same boat as Therrien. To beat the Bolts, you need great systems that can shut them out and lead to a cycle game below their goal line. The RedWings did this to a tee and should've won the series (they outplayed them in game 7, just couldn't buy a goal, but at least they brought them to game 7). The Habs have played the same way every single time they've played the Bolts. Sure, they switched to a two man forecheck in the playoffs, but their transition game is the same.

Whenever our D have the puck, 85% of the time they'll chip it off the glass and hope it lands on our forward's stick. This obviously never happens. The Bolts players are faster and hungrier than ours and are ALWAYS first on those pucks, no matter how much you yell at our players to compete for da puck. After losing 3, 4, 5 times, you'd think the coach would notice this. Have 1 or 2 forwards give close support to the D puck carrier, make a quick 1-2 passes and voila you're out of the zone and flying down the NZ.

When we're in the NZ, the only way we ever attempt to get into the Bolts zone is to dump it in. This may have worked last season when the Bolts D were incredibly slow, but they've gotten a lot more mobile this year. Again, we dump it in, they get there first and they're now in possession again. Not only are our forwards too slow to survive this chip 'n chase vs the Bolts, they're too small to win puck battles along the boards throughout a 7 game series. We're essentially giving them the puck repeatedly, whether it's through a chip out of OUR zone or a chip into THEIR zone. Again, after losing 3, 4, 5 times the coach should've identified this.

Have our players skate into their zone with speed, then look for a quick pass. Drop it off to a streaking winger, go to the net and give that guy an option. Find a spot in the slot for a one timer (like the Bolts have made a habit of doing). Nope. The rare occasions where a forward will actually skate the puck in, he'll just cut WIDE (rather than to the middle) and take a shot from a dead angle. Now, Bishop, being a pretty average goalie, gives up juicy rebounds on these weak angled shots. But of course no one is in the slot looking to tap in a rebound, and if someone is there it's Desharnais or Parenteau or Gallagher (who actually tapped in a rebound last game).

Never have we seen this team skate into the zone, use their speed to burn a D then make a quick cross crease pass for a tap in. We don't see them pass it to the slot for a one timer either. No one is open in the offensive zone. Bishop's a huge goalie who sucks when you have to make him move laterally. The RedWings identified this and exploited it. Somehow, after losing 8 ****ing times, this bird brained coach still hasn't identified this an an opportunity to score goals vs Bishop. He still sticks to the same tactics that had his team score a near league low goals for this season.

It's an absolute joke. He actually had the nerve to say he has no adjustments to make heading into game 3. Or maybe he's naive enough to believe his team deserves to score more goals the way they're playing. And this post doesn't even cover the PP which is likely one of the worst in league history at this point.

This coach has a solid team in front of him, he's just clueless. His grinding style of hockey sucks the creativity out of even his most creative players. We can really use an end to end goal from PK, but no that won't happen anymore. We can really use a nice cut to the middle and wrist shot from Galch, but no that won't happen anymore. Heck, we can use an 18 year old Galchenyuk who was actually dangerous and had confidence and creativity.

 

[habalifeok]

I see you're in the same boat as Therrien. To beat the Bolts, you need great systems that can shut them out and lead to a cycle game below their goal line. The RedWings did this to a tee and should've won the series (they outplayed them in game 7, just couldn't buy a goal, but at least they brought them to game 7). The Habs have played the same way every single time they've played the Bolts. Sure, they switched to a two man forecheck in the playoffs, but their transition game is the same.

Whenever our D have the puck, 85% of the time they'll chip it off the glass and hope it lands on our forward's stick. This obviously never happens. The Bolts players are faster and hungrier than ours and are ALWAYS first on those pucks, no matter how much you yell at our players to compete for da puck. After losing 3, 4, 5 times, you'd think the coach would notice this. Have 1 or 2 forwards give close support to the D puck carrier, make a quick 1-2 passes and voila you're out of the zone and flying down the NZ.

When we're in the NZ, the only way we ever attempt to get into the Bolts zone is to dump it in. This may have worked last season when the Bolts D were incredibly slow, but they've gotten a lot more mobile this year. Again, we dump it in, they get there first and they're now in possession again. Not only are our forwards too slow to survive this chip 'n chase vs the Bolts, they're too small to win puck battles along the boards throughout a 7 game series. We're essentially giving them the puck repeatedly, whether it's through a chip out of OUR zone or a chip into THEIR zone. Again, after losing 3, 4, 5 times the coach should've identified this.

Have our players skate into their zone with speed, then look for a quick pass. Drop it off to a streaking winger, go to the net and give that guy an option. Find a spot in the slot for a one timer (like the Bolts have made a habit of doing). Nope. The rare occasions where a forward will actually skate the puck in, he'll just cut WIDE (rather than to the middle) and take a shot from a dead angle. Now, Bishop, being a pretty average goalie, gives up juicy rebounds on these weak angled shots. But of course no one is in the slot looking to tap in a rebound, and if someone is there it's Desharnais or Parenteau or Gallagher (who actually tapped in a rebound last game).

Never have we seen this team skate into the zone, use their speed to burn a D then make a quick cross crease pass for a tap in. We don't see them pass it to the slot for a one timer either. No one is open in the offensive zone. Bishop's a huge goalie who sucks when you have to make him move laterally. The RedWings identified this and exploited it. Somehow, after losing 8 ****ing times, this bird brained coach still hasn't identified this an an opportunity to score goals vs Bishop. He still sticks to the same tactics that had his team score a near league low goals for this season.

It's an absolute joke. He actually had the nerve to say he has no adjustments to make heading into game 3. Or maybe he's naive enough to believe his team deserves to score more goals the way they're playing. And this post doesn't even cover the PP which is likely one of the worst in league history at this point.

This coach has a solid team in front of him, he's just clueless. His grinding style of hockey sucks the creativity out of even his most creative players. We can really use an end to end goal from PK, but no that won't happen anymore. We can really use a nice cut to the middle and wrist shot from Galch, but no that won't happen anymore. Heck, we can use an 18 year old Galchenyuk who was actually dangerous and had confidence and creativity.

Excellent analysis. Got my vote if you hand in your resume to Bergevin.

 

[Smokey Thompson]

Excellent analysis. Got my vote if you hand in your resume to Bergevin.

Maybe in another lifetime

 

[Milhouse40]

The moron is bringing us closer to the cup then anytime before since 1993.

You don't like that?

Jacques Martin brought us there too...and still not one GM gave him a chance since.
Therrien brought the Pens one game away from a SC and still, not one GM gave him another chances in 4 years.....and he gets another one simply cause of the lack of choices we had cause we want a French speaking coach.

And news flash: IT'S ALL ABOUT PRICE.

Without that Vezina, Lindsay, Hart nominee...we would probably be out of the PO picture.

 

[phoque taupe]

damn price
he just robbed us from drafting Eichel or McDavid