Oilers lose to... who cares anymore.

[K1984]

For the record, and my own opinion, I've always thought Doan was a very good, solid hockey player. Saying that, I've also seen him do a bunch of dirty, cheap garbage on the ice as well, which pissed me off. Now, in the NHL, I guess that gets you loved on your own team, but for others it is a level of despise. Off the ice though, I have heard nothing but good things about him. An absolute pillar in the community and good guy with his time. There are quite a few players like this in the NHL.

This hits it on the head.

Nobody ever suggested that he was a poor hockey player, he's just a cheapshot artist on the ice. This doesn't jive with his "class" reputation off the ice that gets trumped up in the media, so he doesn't seem to get the credit for it like other players in similar molds would.

 

[Da McBomb]

OEL owned Hall last night... shut Hall down completely. What a stud of a dman he is. Wish the Oilers had a dman of that calibre.

 

[K1984]

OEL owned Hall last night... shut Hall down completely. What a stud of a dman he is. Wish the Oilers had a dman of that calibre.

He's a top 5 D man in the league IMO, but doesn't get the recognition because of the team he plays on. He's also one of the best players at the point on the PP.

I'd take him over Karlsson any day, but Karlsson plays for an Eastern Canadian team and puts up more offense, so he's the guy that gets the Norris glory. Karlsson doesn't hold OEL's jock strap in his own end.

 

[Draiskull]

IMO they both had some valid points, but ultimately when Simpson brought up the point that nobody would even be talking about how great Draisaitl has been this year if it hadn't been for the McDavid injury giving him the opportunity, thus highlighting that injuries can't always be leaned on as an excuse (or "factor" as Stauffer was saying), Stauffer didn't really have an answer for that.

The simple fact of the matter is that Drai rose to the challenge and then some when the team lost McDavid, but absolutely nobody has risen to the challenge once Klefbom was lost long term.

Well to be fair Draisaitl has 7 pts in 3games and the Hall-RNH-Drai line had a combined 20pts in 3GP when McDavid went down.. Simpson's point couldve been countered by that. Drai was producing even with McDavid not injured.

 

[Draiskull]

OEL owned Hall last night... shut Hall down completely. What a stud of a dman he is. Wish the Oilers had a dman of that calibre.

meh.. he is lucky Hendricks wasnt playing

 

[Digger12]

Well to be fair Draisaitl has 7 pts in 3games and the Hall-RNH-Drai line had a combined 20pts in 3GP when McDavid went down.. Simpson's point couldve been countered by that. Drai was producing even with McDavid not injured.

Yeah, that's a good point. I'd forgotten that Drai was actually called up shortly before McDavid's injury, and went on to have that hot start. The injury just ensured that he stayed up, and luckily for the Oilers Drai kept it going for quite a while.

 

[rboomercat90]

This is a little window on the contempt this arrogant org has for its fanbase. Where else would an org still existing be so oblivious to its fans as shareholders and cracking jokes about its futility at a Tie event fans pay to get into.

Not too curiously we were playing Yotes last night and the whole night I'm wondering what difference it would make as an Oiler fan if this org did the sane thing and selected Shane Doan at the NHL draft that was held at Rexall all those years ago with every fan in attendance shouting "Doan, Doan, Doan" With that the Oilers select Steve Kelly.

Barry Fraser, chief scout for the Oilers through part of the dismal 90's probably has another mai tai on a beach in Cancun in commemoration of that.

I should have turned the channel off 20yrs ago.

I watched the game last night with my brother. We had the same conversation about Doan. We couldn't decide whether the Oilers would have been drastically different or if Doan would have been out of the league 10+ years ago.

 

[joestevens29]

IMO they both had some valid points, but ultimately when Simpson brought up the point that nobody would even be talking about how great Draisaitl has been this year if it hadn't been for the McDavid injury giving him the opportunity, thus highlighting that injuries can't always be leaned on as an excuse (or "factor" as Stauffer was saying), Stauffer didn't really have an answer for that.

The simple fact of the matter is that Drai rose to the challenge and then some when the team lost McDavid, but absolutely nobody has risen to the challenge once Klefbom was lost long term.

I don't know that I fully believe this as Sekera has really stepped up lately. The off-setting issue is that Nurse and Davidson have come back down a bit, which would be fine if guys like Fayne and Schultz got back to where they should be but haven't

 

[Jeff Lebowski]

Anyone else get a good chuckle when John Shannon mentioned the future Oilers dynasty?

FinkleIsEinhorn

Lol. If it was going to be a dynasty, It probably needed to start by now. Some of our first overall picks will probably hit UFA status by the time we're contending (at the rate we're going).

 

[Frank the Tank]

I thought the Oilers 5-on-5 play was some of the better I've witnessed against the Coyotes. Once again they stood up well (not great, but OK) to a physical, grinding team along the boards. The PP was also clicking well with Schultz actually proving useful with the extra man (for once). Then the PK falls apart... that's life as an Oilers fan.

 

[McCrumb]

lol remember in the offseason when like half the board wouldn't trade Hall for OEL?

I still remember a few people saying in the summer that they didn't want OEL because he wasn't a true number 1 D man. I was laughing so hard I almost fell out of my chair.

 

[Narnia]

The worst part is knowing what these players could've been without the massive turnover in coaching. I feel just terrible for RNH in particular, no clue what's happened to that dynamic agility and playmaking.

The next casualty will be Nurse. We just can't develop talent to their potential.

Doesn't help when the team has a new coach every season. Enough of a new coach every season. Having 6 coaches in 7 years is part of the problem.

 

[The Nuge]

He's a top 5 D man in the league IMO, but doesn't get the recognition because of the team he plays on. He's also one of the best players at the point on the PP.

I'd take him over Karlsson any day, but Karlsson plays for an Eastern Canadian team and puts up more offense, so he's the guy that gets the Norris glory. Karlsson doesn't hold OEL's jock strap in his own end.

Yep. The guy simply can't get enough to praise. If you want to look at his impact, look no further than the fact he scored 23 goals, as a 23 year old, and lead his team in scoring, on a team who's 2nd leading scorer was Sam Gagner

 

[Narnia]

From the EDM Journal:

"It’s worth noting something odd about the Oilers assignments on the penalty kill. All of the defenceman save Hunt played at least a bit, but veterans Sekera and Fayne played under 30 seconds each, while defensive specialist Gryba played just over a minute. Meanwhile, rookies Davidson and Nurse played a ton, as did Schultz, who historically speaking is awful on the PK. Given that Arizona effectively went four-for-four, the coaches may want to rethink that approach."

It's probably not an exaggeration to say that this coaching decision lost us the game. Seriously. We got the production we needed and had the worst PK I've seen on a team in recent memory. Why anyone in their right mind would play Schultz on the PK and give nurse #1 PK minutes... impenetrable reasoning, there. I'd love to say that McL is helping to turn the organization around but we are visibly shattering Nurse's confidence with line assignments that a 14 year-old in NHL 16's GM mode wouldn't make. WTF, Todd?

The 'Yotes did not go four-for-four on the PP. They went three-for-four. I'm getting sick and tired of reading that the 'Yotes went four-for-four on the PP when they didn't.

 

[TheRebuild]

Lol. If it was going to be a dynasty, It probably needed to start by now. Some of our first overall picks will probably hit UFA status by the time we're contending (at the rate we're going).

I see some of our first overall picks languishing in a nursing home by the time that happens.

 

[Digger12]

I don't know that I fully believe this as Sekera has really stepped up lately. The off-setting issue is that Nurse and Davidson have come back down a bit, which would be fine if guys like Fayne and Schultz got back to where they should be but haven't

Yeah, I guess I could've worded that better. I was thinking more of the young guys stepping up to seize an opportunity like Draisaitl did...Sekera has played better, but in my eyes he's only playing at the level he was expected to play at when we signed him over the summer, a solid #2 to #3 dman. Nobody in their wildest dreams were predicting that Draisaitl would not only be a PPG player in his sophomore campaign, but be one of the very top performers at EV in the entire NHL. THAT is stepping up.

And agreed about Fayne and Schultz. Their regressions have really hurt this team, a lot of people around here are outright hostile towards Schultz but I don't think anyone expected Fayne to fall this far out of favour. In his own way he's been nearly as soft as Schultz has been, without the modicum of offensive creativity that Schultz can bring when the wind is just right.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Do you have to remind us?
I thought we would be reminded of it enough by Quinn and Remenda.

Speaking about Remenda, I heard lots of complaints about him from my twitter feed of oiler fans. Why does he always praise the **** out of other teams and their players? As if watching the oilers play isn't miserable enough. Go back to San Jose, Remenda.

I think that is how Drew toes the company line to explain how its not the Oilers playing terrible, it is the other team being amazing.

 

[McPuritania]

huh? The worth of any opposing player is generally in inverse correlation to their value to their team and how hard they are to play against.

In short Oiler fans (some of them) would hate Doan because he's been an Oiler Killer all these years.

They would love him if he had been an Oiler all these years.

Next, you have nothing but contempt for the main boards but quote it when it matches your feeling?

What is it you don't like about Doan. To me he's a fine broth of a hockey player. haha

I wasn't talking about his skill level or worth as a player. I was talking about his dirty antics, whining, and classlessness. I don't know what he's like off the ice, but I see the type of guy he is on the ice, and that's all I'm commenting on.

And you brought up fan opinion, I didn't, so I mentioned broad fan opinion. I don't see what's so wrong about that.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I wasn't talking about his skill level or worth as a player. I was talking about his dirty antics, whining, and classlessness. I don't know what he's like off the ice, but I see the type of guy he is on the ice, and that's all I'm commenting on.

And you brought up fan opinion, I didn't, so I mentioned broad fan opinion. I don't see what's so wrong about that.

you need to recheck your math bro.....

the inverse.....

the INVERSE.....correlation....

Sometimes you make a post and you might as well just throw it in the garbage.....

(I know from experience)

 

[Del Preston]

OEL embarrassing Jultz last night: https://giant.gfycat.com/BriskJoyfulAfghanhound.gif

 

[Replacement*]

I wasn't talking about his skill level or worth as a player. I was talking about his dirty antics, whining, and classlessness. I don't know what he's like off the ice, but I see the type of guy he is on the ice, and that's all I'm commenting on.

And you brought up fan opinion, I didn't, so I mentioned broad fan opinion. I don't see what's so wrong about that.

Nothing wrong with your opinion at all, other than its wrong. lol, just kidding.

I'm always just curious and that's part of what a message board is about getting contrasting views. I guess we all look for different stuff. I see an honest player who doesn't cut corners and is full value to his team and contract. A wish for more aholes like that on the Oil.

 

[Replacement*]

I watched the game last night with my brother. We had the same conversation about Doan. We couldn't decide whether the Oilers would have been drastically different or if Doan would have been out of the league 10+ years ago.

look no farther than Smyth who put up with hell here and managed to survive as a player and have a decent career. Doan would have survived as well albeit with even more sadness than he's seen playing most of his career in a hockey backwater like Arizona.

At least he got some time in Winterpeg.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

OEL embarrassing Jultz last night: https://giant.gfycat.com/BriskJoyfulAfghanhound.gif

Jultz doing Jultz things

 

[oljimmy]

The 'Yotes did not go four-for-four on the PP. They went three-for-four. I'm getting sick and tired of reading that the 'Yotes went four-for-four on the PP when they didn't.

That's why they used the word "effectively".

 

[TheRebuild]

Jultz doing Jultz things

Basically.

Schultz: PANIC! Panicpanicpanicpanic
OEL: Can't get enough of that Sugar Crisp.