Eklund Rumor: Oilers and flyers talking?

[north49er]

Right now I personally would not give up Provorov alone for both. That's just me though

You're not alone.

 

[LTIR]

THEY probably want Provy or Gosty, which will be precey.

Both are LDs.
Both teams are looking for RD so doubt there is a match..
Simmonds should be a target for Chia though since he is seemibgly available.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Both are LDs.
Both teams are looking for RD so doubt there is a match..
Simmonds should be a target for Chia though since he is seemibgly available.

Sim is way too slow to play on oilers 2 first line... and you need a winger for MCdavid ( doubt Nugget is enough)

 

[Curufinwe]

Simmonds isn't actually slow when he's healthy.

 

[Flyerfan52]

Hope it is something like voracek and provorov for draisaitl and klefbom.

Are those "Nice Dreams" of the Chech & Chong variety?

 

[bucks_oil]

Bucks, come on brother. You're talking like you're on hallucinogens. Niinimaa is nothing like Provorov and never was regarded as such. That's like comparing Draisaitl to Jason Bonsignore.

Really? That's definitely not how I remember it. The kid came in an lit it up. Granted he was a 2nd rounder so the hype machine was far less, but the early returns had people (you guys... and most of us believing it) thinking he was going to be a top-4 D in the entire league.

I'm of course picking an example of when hype didn't translate, so the retrospective lens will of course skew our memories... but I'm just making the point... there was a time when....

 

[flyguy]

Really? That's definitely not how I remember it. The kid came in an lit it up. Granted he was a 2nd rounder so the hype machine was far less, but the early returns had people (you guys... and most of us believing it) thinking he was going to be a top-4 D in the entire league.

I'm of course picking an example of when hype didn't translate, so the retrospective lens will of course skew our memories... but I'm just making the point... there was a time when....

Pitkanen had that kind of hype after his first year in terms of being a future Norris contender. Niinimaa was more of a surprise to have played so well in his first year, but I don't think any rational fan was thinking he'd be a top 4 D in the league.

 

[pmwlker]

Really? That's definitely not how I remember it. The kid came in an lit it up. Granted he was a 2nd rounder so the hype machine was far less, but the early returns had people (you guys... and most of us believing it) thinking he was going to be a top-4 D in the entire league.

I'm of course picking an example of when hype didn't translate, so the retrospective lens will of course skew our memories... but I'm just making the point... there was a time when....

As a long time Flyers fan I can say that’s not at all true. Nice try though. Knowledgeable fans weren’t all that hyped about him at all.

 

[Draiskull]

Sim is way too slow to play on oilers 2 first line... and you need a winger for MCdavid ( doubt Nugget is enough)

McDavid doesnt need a winger. He can get his 100pts with 'nugget' + an AHLer.
Oilers need scoring depth and a winger for Draisaitl. Oilers also need a better net front option than Lucic. Simmonds could be that player. He has biosteel history with plenty of Oilers so would be a good fit in the dressing room.

2019 1st for Simmonds is something Chia should be really looking at.

 

[mja]

Really? That's definitely not how I remember it. The kid came in an lit it up. Granted he was a 2nd rounder so the hype machine was far less, but the early returns had people (you guys... and most of us believing it) thinking he was going to be a top-4 D in the entire league.

I'm of course picking an example of when hype didn't translate, so the retrospective lens will of course skew our memories... but I'm just making the point... there was a time when....

I well remember the Janne Niinimaa hype. He had a great rookie season. He was the best pure skater on a sketchy Flyers' D (aside from half a season of a well-past his prime Paul Coffey) and a plus passer, but he had no shot to speak of and was very much a promising rookie defenseman in his own end, which is to say that he was prone to breakdowns. At no point in time in his entire career, did his hype or level of play reach anything approaching Ivan Provorov's. No one dared speak of a Norris trophy. We were just hoping for a top pairing caliber guy to take some of the load off of Eric Desjardins.

It was legitimately shocking that he was traded (incidentally, I still remember exactly where I was when I first heard about the trade - at a computer lab browsing ESPN.com on Netscape Navigator) for McGillis who in many respects was the inverse of Niinimaa, but Janne had majorly been in the doghouse and was even healthy-scratched during his second season, and then there was the whole Metallica debacle. Contrast that with Ivan Provorov, who just led the league in goals scored by a defenseman in his second NHL season and is our all situations #1 D at the ripe old age of 21 (and really, he was our #1 pretty much by his 20th birthday).

Anything is subject to change, of course (is Ivan a Metallica fan?), but Provorov is unmovable. There's literally zero reason for the Flyers to move him unless they're getting a franchise-type player in return. When people mention McDavid, they're not sincerely suggesting that as the framework of a deal, they're just illustrating how unavailable he is.

 

[ManofSteel55]

It's draft day. Everyone is talking.

 

[BritainStix]

LOL to your opinion as well

Cute...

 

[StoneHands]

I remember a 21 year old Flyers D who had just scored 44 points in 77 games as a rookie.

The guy was untouchable they said... the next coming of Lidstrom. It would take Jason Arnott AND Doug Weight to land that guy they said. The next year he was traded to Edmonton for Dan McGillis.

A 40 point D and a 70 point C are ~ equal. Both Provorov & Drai are going to be top 10 players in the league at the two most important positions. That's where the value is, but neither team make the deal.

Talking about McD just makes you look silly.

I remember a young Oilers forward who was a top draft pick with crazy high upside and two PPG seasons under his belt.

The guy was untouchable they said... the next coming of Crosby. It would take Seth Jones+ to land that guy they said. The next year he was traded to NJ for Adam Larsson.

Maybe the Flyers should offer Gudas for Drai. Seems more in line with what Edmonton likes to do.

Regardless, Defenseman are not valued based on their point production. The Flyers have no reason to trade Provorov for Drai, it just doesn't help the team.

Literally not one person thinks Provorov for McDavid is a fair trade so stop making things up.

 

[McDraekke]

I remember a young Oilers forward who was a top draft pick with crazy high upside and two PPG seasons under his belt.

The guy was untouchable they said... the next coming of Crosby. It would take Seth Jones+ to land that guy they said. The next year he was traded to NJ for Adam Larsson.

Maybe the Flyers should offer Gudas for Drai. Seems more in line with what Edmonton likes to do.

Defenseman are not valued based on their point production. The Flyers have no reason to trade Provorov for Drai, it just doesn't help the team.

Literally not one person thinks Provorov for McDavid is a fair trade so stop making things up.

Anyone who compared Hall to Crosby should be taken behind a shed an put out of their misery, Old Yeller style. No Oiler fan that I ever saw made these comparisons. Ludicrous.

 

[StoneHands]

Anyone who compared Hall to Crosby should be taken behind a shed an put out of their misery, Old Yeller style. No Oiler fan that I ever saw made these comparisons. Ludicrous.

Almost as ridiculous as his claim that Flyers fans compared Niinimaa to Lidstrom?

 

[Banny1089]

Lucic + Talbot
For
Simmonds + Elliott

 

[StoneHands]

Lucic + Talbot
For
Simmonds + Elliott

Lol. Guys, please stop.

 

[Banny1089]

Lol. Guys, please stop.

Stop what exactly ?

 

[Tripod]

Lucic + Talbot
For
Simmonds + Elliott

no.

Philly does not Lucic. Actually, does anyone right now?

If the Oilers are interested in Simmonds, make a real offer for him. Keep in mind some other offers have been:

Brown +1st(#25)
Thompson+1st in 2019

 

[BritainStix]

Some very awful trades being suggested in here.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Lucic + Talbot
For
Simmonds + Elliott

Terrible

You think we are going to move Simmonds for a that?

 

[mja]

Almost as ridiculous as his claim that Flyers fans compared Niinimaa to Lidstrom?

The best part about that was that Lidstrom wasn't really Lidstrom yet at the time. The 97 finals (while Niinimaa was getting abused by Darren freaking McCarty) were the exact moment Lidstrom really started to be recognized as one of the league's elite defensemen. He wasn't even regarded as the best defenseman on his team until 97-98, and then only because of the limo accident that took out Konstantinov.

 

[KingsCourt]

Why would the Flyers ever make that trade?

its the league's job to ensure oilers get all the help they can get, it wasn't enough to give 4 1st oa in five years.

 

[litflyersfan]

Lucic + Talbot
For
Simmonds + Elliott

So at best, a lateral move in net and a downgrade at forward featuring a boat anchor contract to boot, easy hell no!

 

[bucks_oil]

Almost as ridiculous as his claim that Flyers fans compared Niinimaa to Lidstrom?

That I can attest was DEFINITELY made by more than one Flyers fan... if the old site were up I could find it easily. And I'm not casting stones, because I thought it was plausible at the time.

Keep in mind, at that time, people did not yet appreciate Lidstrom's defensive game as much as they should (or came to with the passage of time). They highest he'd finished in Norris voting in 96-97 was 6th. His narrative didn't start to change until after they'd won that first cup.

Anyway, that's my whole point. Perceptions around here can change very quickly. I gave only one example of that but there are others (and yes... the Hall perceived value vs trade value vs today's perceived value are vastly divergent... we can agree on that... and you can't have it both ways. Either we lost the trade, in which case Edmonton fans were RIGHT to expect more in trade, or we didn't lose the trade)