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As many of you are aware, I have a system that I devised to evaluate the greatest careers in NHL history. I thought some of you may have some interest in the update to include the 2006-07 season.
Some interesting observations: The biggest movers and shakers on my non-goaltender list were Nicklas Lidstrom, Joe Thornton, Sidney Crosby and Vincent Lecavalier.
Lidstrom has rocketed up to #27 on my all-time list. He also becomes the 9th greatest defenseman of all time on my list. Lidstrom is rapidly overtaking some of the legends of the sport.
Joe Thornton has had back to back strong seasons to move all the way up to #66.
Sidney Crosby and Vincent Lecavalier are making their debuts on my top 200 careers list. After only two seasons, Sid is sitting at #139. Vinny's great season has moved him into 184th slot.
In goaltending, Martin Brodeur moved up to #7. One more season like this year and Brodeur will own spot #4 on the list.
Roberto Luongo made a huge jump, now occupying 33rd position on the all-time goaltending list.
***Remember, I am still refining things. This list is not perfection but, I think it is a very good evaluation of NHL playing careers. Right now I am working on adjustments for both goaltending and non-goaltending so both lists may see slight adjustments when I have added the additional data.
Greatest NHL Careers
1 Wayne Gretzky
2 Gordie Howe
3 Bobby Orr
4 Mario Lemieux
5 Jean Beliveau
6 Eddie Shore
7 Bobby Hull
8 Ray Bourque
9 Maurice "Rocket" Richard
10 Phil Esposito
11 Jaromir Jagr
12 Stan Mikita
13 Guy Lafleur
14 Doug Harvey
15 Howie Morenz
16 Leonard "Red" Kelly
17 Francis "King" Clancy
18 Bill Cowley
19 Paul Coffey
20 Ted Kennedy
21 Bryan Trottier
22 Earl Seibert
23 Andy Bathgate
24 Syl Apps, Sr.
25 Cecil " Babe" Dye
26 Bobby Clarke
27 Nicklas Lidstrom
28 Elmer Lach
29 Cy Denneny
30 Marcel Dionne
31 Milt Schmidt
32 Mike Bossy
33 Nels Stewart
34 Denis Potvin
35 Mark Messier
36 Larry Robinson
37 Joe Sakic
38 Lionel Conacher
39 Pierre Pilote
40 Frank Boucher
41 Charlie Conacher
42 Max Bentley
43 Steve Yzerman
44 Brad Park
45 Harry Cameron
46 Bernie Geoffrion
47 Doug Bentley
48 Al MacInnis
49 Ted Lindsay
50 Brett Hull
51 Aurel Joliat
52 Bill Cook
53 Rod Langway
54 Edouard "Newsy" Lalonde
55 Aubrey "Dit" Clapper
56 Scott Stevens
57 Chris Chelios
58 Sprague Cleghorn
59 Teemu Selanne
60 Ebbie Goodfellow
61 Sid Abel
62 Jack Stewart
63 Bill Gadsby
64 Hector "Toe" Blake
65 Brian Leetch
66 Joe Thornton
67 Frank Nighbor
68 Chris Pronger
69 Borje Salming
70 Marty Barry
71 Gord Drillon
72 Adam Oates
73 Harry "Punch" Broadbent
74 Scott Niedermayer
75 Frank Mahovlich
76 Henri Richard
77 Mark Howe
78 Peter Forsberg
79 Norm Ullman
80 Doug Gilmour
81 Markus Naslund
82 Tim Horton
83 Serge Savard
84 David "Sweeney" Schriner
85 Joe Malone
86 Jarome Iginla
87 Dale Hawerchuk
88 Syd Howe
89 Eric Lindros
90 Roy Conacher
91 Jack Darragh
92 Reg Noble
93 Peter Stastny
94 Dickie Moore
95 Denis Savard
96 Reg "Hooley" Smith
97 Ivan "Ching" Johnson
98 Jacques Laperriere
99 Pavel Bure
100 George Boucher
101 Sylvio Mantha
102 Bill Quackenbush
103 Guy Lapointe
104 Art Coulter
105 Ken Reardon
106 Cecil Dillon
107 Jean Ratelle
108 Sergei Fedorov
109 Clarence "Hap" Day
110 Bryan Hextall, Sr.
111 Emile "Butch" Bouchard
112 Ace Bailey
113 Bert Olmstead
114 Phil Watson
115 Walter "Babe" Pratt
116 Dave Keon
117 Marcel Pronovost
118 Buddy O'Connor
119 Yvan Cournoyer
120 Martin St. Louis
121 JC Tremblay
122 Rob Blake
123 Paul Thompson
124 Gaye Stewart
125 Pat Lafontaine
126 Paul Kariya
127 Tom Anderson
128 Larry Murphy
129 Odie Cleghorn
130 Ron Francis
131 Alex Delvecchio
132 Ralph "Cooney" Weiland
133 Doug Wilson
134 Fern Flaman
135 Ken Randall
136 Harvey "Busher" Jackson
137 Billy Burch
138 Lynn Patrick
139 Sidney Crosby
140 Gilbert Perreault
141 Jari Kurri
142 Albert "Babe" Seibert
143 Eddie Gerard
144 Lawrence "Baldy" Northcott
145 William "Flash" Hollett
146 Joe Nieuwendyk
147 Red Berenson
148 Tod Sloan
149 Reggie Leach
150 Brad Richards
151 Tom Johnson
152 Paul Ronty
153 Bob Gainey
154 Johnny Gagnon
155 Joe Primeau
156 Carl Brewer
157 Billy Boucher
159 Marcel Bonin
160 Butch Goring
161 Claude Lemieux
162 Bob Pulford
163 Neil Colville
164 John LeClair
165 Theoren Fleury
166 Alf Skinner
167 Ed Litzenberger
168 Bill Thoms
169 Darryl Sittler
170 Corb Denneny
171 Frank Frederickson
172 Harry Howell
173 Bert Corbeau
174 Clint Smith
175 Alexei Yashin
176 Lorne Carr
176 Lionel Hitchman
177 Dick Irvin
178 Peter Bondra
179 Earl Robinson
180 Mark Recchi
181 Bill White
182 Ken Hodge
183 Pat Stapleton
184 Vincent Lecavalier
185 Phil Housley
186 George "Goldie" Prodgers
187 Ed Sandford
188 Sergei Gonchar
190 George Hay
191 Allan Stanley
192 Herb Cain
193 Jack Crawford
195 Bobby Rousseau
196 Michel Goulet
197 Bert McCaffrey
198 Art Chapman
199 Jim Thomson
200 Billy Taylor
Greatest Goaltenders
1 Glenn Hall
2 Patrick Roy
3 Terry Sawchuk
4 Ken Dryden
5 Dominik Hasek
6 Jacques Plante
7 Martin Brodeur
8 Frank Brimsek
9 Clint Benedict
10 Bill Durnan
11 Cecil " Tiny" Thompson
12 Tony Esposito
13 Bernie Parent
14 Walter " Turk" Broda
15 Roy Worters
16 Chuck Rayner
17 Ed Giacomin
18 Georges Vezina
19 George Hainsworth
20 Johnny Bower
21 Grant Fuhr
22 Harry Lumley
23 Alex Connell
24 Mike Liut
25 Lorne "Gump" Worsley
26 Ed Belfour
27 Charlie Gardiner
28 Rogatien Vachon
29 Billy Smith
30 Tom Barrasso
31 Miikka Kiprusoff
32 John Vanbiesbrouck
33 Roberto Luongo
34 Roger Crozier
35 Charlie Hodge
36 Mike Vernon
37 Normie Smith
38 Lorne Chabot
39 Al Rollins
40 Don Edwards
41 Ron Hextall
42 Dave Kerr
43 Jose Theodore
44 Pete Peeters
45 Pelle Lindbergh
46 Jim Henry
47 Cam Ward
48 Bill Ranford
49 JS Giguere
50 Olaf Kolzig
Some interesting observations: The biggest movers and shakers on my non-goaltender list were Nicklas Lidstrom, Joe Thornton, Sidney Crosby and Vincent Lecavalier.
Lidstrom has rocketed up to #27 on my all-time list. He also becomes the 9th greatest defenseman of all time on my list. Lidstrom is rapidly overtaking some of the legends of the sport.
Joe Thornton has had back to back strong seasons to move all the way up to #66.
Sidney Crosby and Vincent Lecavalier are making their debuts on my top 200 careers list. After only two seasons, Sid is sitting at #139. Vinny's great season has moved him into 184th slot.
In goaltending, Martin Brodeur moved up to #7. One more season like this year and Brodeur will own spot #4 on the list.
Roberto Luongo made a huge jump, now occupying 33rd position on the all-time goaltending list.
***Remember, I am still refining things. This list is not perfection but, I think it is a very good evaluation of NHL playing careers. Right now I am working on adjustments for both goaltending and non-goaltending so both lists may see slight adjustments when I have added the additional data.
Greatest NHL Careers
1 Wayne Gretzky
2 Gordie Howe
3 Bobby Orr
4 Mario Lemieux
5 Jean Beliveau
6 Eddie Shore
7 Bobby Hull
8 Ray Bourque
9 Maurice "Rocket" Richard
10 Phil Esposito
11 Jaromir Jagr
12 Stan Mikita
13 Guy Lafleur
14 Doug Harvey
15 Howie Morenz
16 Leonard "Red" Kelly
17 Francis "King" Clancy
18 Bill Cowley
19 Paul Coffey
20 Ted Kennedy
21 Bryan Trottier
22 Earl Seibert
23 Andy Bathgate
24 Syl Apps, Sr.
25 Cecil " Babe" Dye
26 Bobby Clarke
27 Nicklas Lidstrom
28 Elmer Lach
29 Cy Denneny
30 Marcel Dionne
31 Milt Schmidt
32 Mike Bossy
33 Nels Stewart
34 Denis Potvin
35 Mark Messier
36 Larry Robinson
37 Joe Sakic
38 Lionel Conacher
39 Pierre Pilote
40 Frank Boucher
41 Charlie Conacher
42 Max Bentley
43 Steve Yzerman
44 Brad Park
45 Harry Cameron
46 Bernie Geoffrion
47 Doug Bentley
48 Al MacInnis
49 Ted Lindsay
50 Brett Hull
51 Aurel Joliat
52 Bill Cook
53 Rod Langway
54 Edouard "Newsy" Lalonde
55 Aubrey "Dit" Clapper
56 Scott Stevens
57 Chris Chelios
58 Sprague Cleghorn
59 Teemu Selanne
60 Ebbie Goodfellow
61 Sid Abel
62 Jack Stewart
63 Bill Gadsby
64 Hector "Toe" Blake
65 Brian Leetch
66 Joe Thornton
67 Frank Nighbor
68 Chris Pronger
69 Borje Salming
70 Marty Barry
71 Gord Drillon
72 Adam Oates
73 Harry "Punch" Broadbent
74 Scott Niedermayer
75 Frank Mahovlich
76 Henri Richard
77 Mark Howe
78 Peter Forsberg
79 Norm Ullman
80 Doug Gilmour
81 Markus Naslund
82 Tim Horton
83 Serge Savard
84 David "Sweeney" Schriner
85 Joe Malone
86 Jarome Iginla
87 Dale Hawerchuk
88 Syd Howe
89 Eric Lindros
90 Roy Conacher
91 Jack Darragh
92 Reg Noble
93 Peter Stastny
94 Dickie Moore
95 Denis Savard
96 Reg "Hooley" Smith
97 Ivan "Ching" Johnson
98 Jacques Laperriere
99 Pavel Bure
100 George Boucher
101 Sylvio Mantha
102 Bill Quackenbush
103 Guy Lapointe
104 Art Coulter
105 Ken Reardon
106 Cecil Dillon
107 Jean Ratelle
108 Sergei Fedorov
109 Clarence "Hap" Day
110 Bryan Hextall, Sr.
111 Emile "Butch" Bouchard
112 Ace Bailey
113 Bert Olmstead
114 Phil Watson
115 Walter "Babe" Pratt
116 Dave Keon
117 Marcel Pronovost
118 Buddy O'Connor
119 Yvan Cournoyer
120 Martin St. Louis
121 JC Tremblay
122 Rob Blake
123 Paul Thompson
124 Gaye Stewart
125 Pat Lafontaine
126 Paul Kariya
127 Tom Anderson
128 Larry Murphy
129 Odie Cleghorn
130 Ron Francis
131 Alex Delvecchio
132 Ralph "Cooney" Weiland
133 Doug Wilson
134 Fern Flaman
135 Ken Randall
136 Harvey "Busher" Jackson
137 Billy Burch
138 Lynn Patrick
139 Sidney Crosby
140 Gilbert Perreault
141 Jari Kurri
142 Albert "Babe" Seibert
143 Eddie Gerard
144 Lawrence "Baldy" Northcott
145 William "Flash" Hollett
146 Joe Nieuwendyk
147 Red Berenson
148 Tod Sloan
149 Reggie Leach
150 Brad Richards
151 Tom Johnson
152 Paul Ronty
153 Bob Gainey
154 Johnny Gagnon
155 Joe Primeau
156 Carl Brewer
157 Billy Boucher
159 Marcel Bonin
160 Butch Goring
161 Claude Lemieux
162 Bob Pulford
163 Neil Colville
164 John LeClair
165 Theoren Fleury
166 Alf Skinner
167 Ed Litzenberger
168 Bill Thoms
169 Darryl Sittler
170 Corb Denneny
171 Frank Frederickson
172 Harry Howell
173 Bert Corbeau
174 Clint Smith
175 Alexei Yashin
176 Lorne Carr
176 Lionel Hitchman
177 Dick Irvin
178 Peter Bondra
179 Earl Robinson
180 Mark Recchi
181 Bill White
182 Ken Hodge
183 Pat Stapleton
184 Vincent Lecavalier
185 Phil Housley
186 George "Goldie" Prodgers
187 Ed Sandford
188 Sergei Gonchar
190 George Hay
191 Allan Stanley
192 Herb Cain
193 Jack Crawford
195 Bobby Rousseau
196 Michel Goulet
197 Bert McCaffrey
198 Art Chapman
199 Jim Thomson
200 Billy Taylor
Greatest Goaltenders
1 Glenn Hall
2 Patrick Roy
3 Terry Sawchuk
4 Ken Dryden
5 Dominik Hasek
6 Jacques Plante
7 Martin Brodeur
8 Frank Brimsek
9 Clint Benedict
10 Bill Durnan
11 Cecil " Tiny" Thompson
12 Tony Esposito
13 Bernie Parent
14 Walter " Turk" Broda
15 Roy Worters
16 Chuck Rayner
17 Ed Giacomin
18 Georges Vezina
19 George Hainsworth
20 Johnny Bower
21 Grant Fuhr
22 Harry Lumley
23 Alex Connell
24 Mike Liut
25 Lorne "Gump" Worsley
26 Ed Belfour
27 Charlie Gardiner
28 Rogatien Vachon
29 Billy Smith
30 Tom Barrasso
31 Miikka Kiprusoff
32 John Vanbiesbrouck
33 Roberto Luongo
34 Roger Crozier
35 Charlie Hodge
36 Mike Vernon
37 Normie Smith
38 Lorne Chabot
39 Al Rollins
40 Don Edwards
41 Ron Hextall
42 Dave Kerr
43 Jose Theodore
44 Pete Peeters
45 Pelle Lindbergh
46 Jim Henry
47 Cam Ward
48 Bill Ranford
49 JS Giguere
50 Olaf Kolzig