Speculation: Offseason Thread #6 (Mod post #318)

[UAGoalieGuy]

Honestly think whoever loses out on stamkos is gunna go for Nash...

I can see Detroit being interested if they don't sign Stamkos.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I can see Detroit being interested if they don't sign Stamkos.

So, if the Rangers sign Stamkos, they can move Nash to Detroit.

 

[bernmeister]

So we are going to overpay for Matt Martin?

The fourth line isn't that bad. Get rid of Glass, add Hrivik, there you go, some combination of Hrivik, Fast, Lindberg and Jensen should work on the fourth line.

This, but add Nieves in the mix

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

So, if the Rangers sign Stamkos, they can move Nash to Detroit.

This man gets it! We have to sign Stamkos IN ORDER to move Nash for a bit of a premium .

Subtraction by addition.

 

[bernmeister]

Kudos Gorton on generally good draft,IMO

 

[bernmeister]

My Girardi - Staal solution +



What are best deals in sense of top offers?
Does anything top.....

1. w/Oilers
McD, 4.7, Klein 2.9, cap about 7.6, Rangers 2017 1st
for
Draisatil ELC .925, Yakimov .8425, Yakupov 2.5 expiring, Korpikowski 2.5 expiring, EDM 2017 1st
roughly 6.7 = close enough wash

Rationale: EDM wants top D; although this is not w/McD as a righty add they’d prefer, it is still a top 10 1LD, plus a legit top 4 who has spelled 1RD nicely when asked, Klein. Yaki they’d like to keep, but he is very green still at this point, and Yaku they were asking a third for. They are projects bordering cap dump and Korps is 100% cap dump. McD w/that contract = at least Draisatil. Klein = mid late 1st +. So for equalization, Oilers and Rangers swap next year’s 1sts to cover Klein. Although that leaves Edmonton a bit thin at pivot, they still have a 1-2 punch in McDavid + RNH, and with this deal, they have got their backline greatly improved: McD, Klefbom, Nurse is strong on the left, and Sekera and Klein are top 4 righty.

Rangers lose their captain, and a solid contributor, but get a power C so now you have height w/Hayes. Yaku is one year free look, give it a shot. Yakimov is a behemoth; if he can skate and actually play... wow, although that is a huge if which remains to be seen. Korpikov is buyout fodder. Rangers starting to rebuild which Oilers presumably continue, NY gets an advantage with the pick flip.


2 W/RW
A) Howard $ wise 3 years remaining at 5,291,666, is Girardi territory. That’s a guy who is dead $, they may buy out. Girardi is an injury waiting to happen, but if he plays reduced mins on 3rd pair, that could work. Would he waive for Hockeytown? Worth discussing. Rangers could try to up JH’s game with our secret weapon - coach - in goal. Maybe move him when a team has an injury and is desperate. Worst case, we moved a NMC off the roster. NY sweetens the deal by dealing Raanta, 1 yr 1.0 reduced by half to .5

B) Staal 5.7 reduced 2.7 to 4.0
to Detroit for
Jurco .9, Anthony Mantha, .863,333 x 2, and cap dump D Brendan Smith, 2.75 expiring,
we can consider an alternate if not long term.

It would be nice to consider additional matches from NY’s Fs, but I don’t see a match since Dylan Larkin is off limits.


3.0 w/Sens
Brassard 5.0 cap hit effectively less
for
2016 Ott 1st 12th OA + 2017 Ott 1st unprotected and RFA rights to Hoffman

Rationale: Ottawa wants Brass to come home. Although 5 per on books, payout is actually less.

Rangers get 2 great picks, even though they now have to wait. Hoffman is in play for now. Sens eat all or most of the 5.0 cap hit


4 Nash to highest bidder — w/Bruins?
There are multiple possibilities; here is one:
Nash + rights to Hoffman
for
Chara + J Hayes + Macalvoy (2016 1st round pick)

Nash and Chara have 2 years each, first yr similar $, then Chara drops to like 5.
Nash younger, better, not a 35+ contract, so worth a LOT more.
Nash + Hoffman auto for 25+ goals commands
adding Hayes + Macalvoy.

Fits Bruins needs a little better, they move a structural hard cap contract.
Chara can no longer really skate, but while no more 1LD, can do 4LW, and both clear the crease on D and cause commotion in front of net on offense, so that is a fit w/NY. Hayes is more all around, plays better D, is more cost controlled
And of course, the RD 1st round selection is key for the future.


5 Stepan to highest bidder
Stepan earns a NMC if he is here after next season. THAT can NOT be allowed.
contestants include
Wild for Dumba +
Canes for D, pref RD, maybe Pesce and Murray and pick?
BJs for something acceptable (based on Werenski)
Flyers (for young D)

At this point, I think with a strong add we might be able to swing
EDM 2017 1st + JT Miller RFA, + Stepan 6.5 + Yakupov 2.5 + Jurco around 1.
Around 10 + in cap hit
for
Hanafin ELC 925k x2 + Pesce 809,166 x 2 + Murphy RFA,
and the following cap dumps: Bickel, 4m + Skinner, 5.75m around 10.

6 mo moves:
----
possible Helm signing, 1 yr only, avoid expansion protection, overpay slightly if nec
possible Demer deal 1 yr only, avoid expansion protection, overpay slightly if nec
wait for Shattenkirk for free

resulting new NY lineup:

Kreider - Draisatil - Buchnevich
Skinner - Hayes - Hayes
Jensen/Mantha - Helm - Stalberg
Chara - Nieves - Hrivik -

Hanafin Pesce
Skjei McIlrath
Graves Murphy


obviously, if Shattenkirk wants to come here after next season and it only costs $, we have options to move somebody and recover assets.


We are now ahead of the curve on salary, draft picks, and expansion!

 

[Rangers in 7]

Good thing the fourth period is a joke.

It's not. I know for a fact the rangers are interested in him and I also know he has interest in playing for the Rangers. I can confirm the interest is mutual and real

 

[Vitto79]

So, if the Rangers sign Stamkos, they can move Nash to Detroit.

I've thought of that but Detroit wants stamkos and the Rangers need to move Nash to get that done soooo

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

It's not. I know for a fact the rangers are interested in him and I also know he has interest in playing for the Rangers. I can confirm the interest is mutual and real

Then he better want to play for less otherwise the interest in Stamkos is not real. Unless they end up not,having to retain much on any Staal or Nash trade.

And to be fair, TFP has been pretty bad rumor wise for the last several years.

 

[silverfish]

Holden is going to play so much more than Skjei next season I cannot wait.

Trade makes no sense if we don't move Staal.

Better ways of doing business.

Youth movement!

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I've thought of that but Detroit wants stamkos and the Rangers need to move Nash to get that done soooo

They trade Nash to Detroit after Stamkos signs with the Rangers.

Subtraction by addition.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Then he better want to play for less otherwise the interest in Stamkos is not real. Unless they end up not,having to retain much on any Staal or Nash trade.

And to be fair, TFP has been pretty bad rumor wise for the last several years.

Im just speaking in terms of this particular rumor. It's the truth. I heard they end up with both Martin and stamkos

 

[silverfish]

Im just speaking in terms of this particular rumor. It's the truth. I heard they end up with both Martin and stamkos

I hope they enjoy chasing the puck around their own zone. Not sure who's going to get these guys the puck the way this roster is constructed right now.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I hope they enjoy chasing the puck around their own zone. Not sure who's going to get these guys the puck the way this roster is constructed right now.

Oh Gorton is going to find some compromising pictures of the Blues front office staff and they will accept a Nash for Shattenkirk trade.

 

[BBKers]

Detroit wants two veteran forwards signed
Plenty of space
Stamkos, Nash and Radulov are in the mix

 

[Rangers in 7]

I hope they enjoy chasing the puck around their own zone. Not sure who's going to get these guys the puck the way this roster is constructed right now.

I'd have to assume hat if we are getting stammer then there would be changes to our back end

 

[Ghost of jas]

Holden is going to play so much more than Skjei next season I cannot wait.

Trade makes no sense if we don't move Staal.

Better ways of doing business.

Youth movement!

If it was McIlrath you were talking about, I'd agree with you. But AV has already shown more trust in Skjei than he ever has with McIlrath.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Detroit wants two veteran forwards signed
Plenty of space
Stamkos, Nash and Radulov are in the mix

What have you heard potentially coming,back to,NY and what kind of retention are they looking for?

 

[silverfish]

If it was McIlrath you were talking about, I'd agree with you. But AV has already shown more trust in Skjei than he ever has with McIlrath.

Not so bold prediction based on current roster which surely won't be what's on ice in October:

Skjei starts the season on the right-side. Looks bad. Gets McIlrath treatment.

Holden in the mix now. Have to move Staal. Have to. Can they?

 

[BBKers]

What have you heard potentially coming,back to,NY and what kind of retention are they looking for?

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[Charlie Conway]

You have a message

Making the rest of us jealous.

 

[NYRKING30]

You have a message

Spill the beans already!

Generally I think Gorton did a pretty good job with the draft, considering what he had to work with. Glad he didn't do any stupid moves just for the sake of making moves.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Making the rest of us jealous.

He was just asking me how my new born,baby is doing.

 

[Ghost of jas]

You have a message

Not fair.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

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Care to enlighten me too? I can swap my Matt Martin info I heard in return.