Speculation: Offseason Thread #11: Catchy Title Incoming

[Inferno]

if im the rangers i offer Kreider an 8 year deal, take him right though his entire prime years.

3.75
4
4.25
4.5
4.75
5
5.25
5.5

Cap hit of 4.625

 

[Alluckks]

because professional athletes never regress in their development? What if we had locked down MDZ to a 5-year after 2011-12?

22 years old and more RFA years until UFA status compared to Kreider? Differen't position? Not back to back years of similar production?

Sorry, not a good example.

 

[Alluckks]

I think he would take 4 years/18 million.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

if im the rangers i offer Kreider an 8 year deal, take him right though his entire prime years.

3.75
4
4.25
4.5
4.75
5
5.25
5.5

Cap hit of 4.625

If I'm his agent, I advise him not to take anything that leaves him at any older than 30, maybe 31, when his next contract comes up. That allows you to get one more big time deal, a la Yandle, Ladd, Eriksson.

I can see the Rangers offering, but I don't see Chris signing – and certainly not for those dollars in the mid/out years.

 

[Inferno]

If I'm his agent, I advise him not to take anything that leaves him at any older than 30, maybe 31, when his next contract comes up. That allows you to get one more big time deal, a la Yandle, Ladd, Eriksson.

I can see the Rangers offering, but I don't see Chris signing – and certainly not for those dollars in the mid/out years.

who knows...MZA took a sweetheart deal. Brassard took a sweetheart deal. Guys need to take discounts to keep competitive teams going.

again, im in the tear it down club, but if you could lock up CK for that deal, you do it...and then you can trade him if need be for even better assets down the road.

im personally of the belief, though, that CK is part of the long term solution to this club.

 

[Raspewtin]

because professional athletes never regress in their development? What if we had locked down MDZ to a 5-year after 2011-12?

assuming they will regress is just as pointless as assuming he'll hit 50 points next year. it's a risk.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Would 21/5 4.2 AAV work?

I think a 1 year deal could happen, but buying out some of his years makes sense too. Thing is you want to keep his hit manageable and his contract tradeable.

5 years would put him UFA with Stepan in 21/22

 

[Irishguy42]

http://nypost.com/2016/07/20/the-long-term-deal-gulf-facing-rangers-kreider-before-hearing/

The parties are in ongoing negotiations concerning a four- or five-year deal that would buy out No. 20’s first two or three years of unrestricted free agency. It is believed the Rangers are offering in the neighborhood of $4.75 million per with Kreider seeking approximately $5.25 million per.

So maybe Aaron Ward is wrong?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

http://nypost.com/2016/07/20/the-long-term-deal-gulf-facing-rangers-kreider-before-hearing/



So maybe Aaron Ward is wrong?

No, that's actually right in line with what he reported.

Ward's tweet was only about what they submitted to the arbitrator for a 1-2 year determination. Larry's writing about the negotiations for a five year deal which would preempt arbitration.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Wow ok so 4.2 is not even close.

5 years 24.5 million, 4.9 AAV. If they could swing that. Cant give him 5 per yet... but you may have to go that high to buy three UFA years.

Could also see 4 years 19.5, 4.875 AAV, if they want too much with 5 years.

 

[Off Sides]

Per those UFA years, or per every year?

 

[Irishguy42]

No, that's actually right in line with what he reported.

Ward's tweet was only about what they submitted to the arbitrator for a 1-2 year determination. Larry's writing about the negotiations for a five year deal which would preempt arbitration.

I keep forgetting about the 1-2 year thing with arbitration numbers leavemealone

 

[Irishguy42]

Per those UFA years, or per every year?

Knowing Brooks and how weird he is with words sometimes, I imagine he meant AAV.

 

[Off Sides]

I am not sure, per every year that is too high imo, per UFA year then sure I can see that range.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

For gits and shiggles:

Yr 1: $3.75MM
Yr 2: $4.50MM
Yr 3: $5.00MM
Yr 4: $5.25MM
Yr 5: $5.50MM

Total: $24.0MM
AAV: $4.80MM

Not totally unrealistic.

In light of Brooks's report, I feel justified in quoting myself.

 

[17futurecap]

Feel like they will come to a deal if they are only 500k apart and wanting it to be 4 or 5 years.

 

[Ghost of jas]

But isn't Kreider supposed to be a part of the next big trade?

 

[BBKers]

In light of Brooks's report, I feel justified in quoting myself.

Kreider numbers are a bit lower than I expected. Means he can likely be locked up at under $5M on a longer deal (2 years @ $3.975 + 4 years at ~5,25 M = cap hit of $4.825). They should opt for a longer deal. g.

BRF you inspired me too
Brilliant minds think alike
As do braindead ones...

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

BRF you inspired me too
Brilliant minds think alike
As do braindead ones...

Hahaha. Some from column A, some from column B.

I think we may not be too far off. If memory serves, every time we see a report like this re: ongoing negotiations for an RFA, when the team does in fact sign the player longterm, it usually comes out a LOT closer to the team's bid, rather than the player's ask. Otherwise it generally goes to arbitration.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

because professional athletes never regress in their development? What if we had locked down MDZ to a 5-year after 2011-12?

It'd be fine because he'd be our 2nd best defenseman.

I'm probably in the minority, but I miss DZ...and I actually liked the trade.

 

[Doctor King Schultz]

But isn't Kreider supposed to be a part of the next big trade?

Could still sign and trade him.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Could still sign and trade him.

Why make the effort on a long-term deal? I don't see it. In a year from now, or even at the deadline, possibly. But, I agree with inferno, I see Kreider as part of the long term solution for this team. For as much as Kreider drifted along for half the season, once Stepan came back healthy, Kreider surged. Ideally, if Ziba and Buch can reach the potential of being legitimate 1st liners, a 2nd line of Kreider and Stepan going forward looks awfully nice.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Why make the effort on a long-term deal? I don't see it. In a year from now, or even at the deadline, possibly. But, I agree with inferno, I see Kreider as part of the long term solution for this team. For as much as Kreider drifted along for half the season, once Stepan came back healthy, Kreider surged. Ideally, if Ziba and Buch can reach the potential of being legitimate 1st liners, a 2nd line of Kreider and Stepan going forward looks awfully nice.

They could also be pursuing both options: get Kreider at their price, or failing that, trade him.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Does Kreider have 2 RFA years left?

4
4
5.5
5.5
5.5

= 4.9

4-4-5.5-6=4.875

Going to get in on the quoting myself game too. Ps - first!

 

[Desdichado93]

Zibanejad will use #93