Official offseason trades, signings, proposals thread II

[Porter Stoutheart]

Did you actually post that trying to convince us we should take him?

Yeah, this was not exactly a sell. I haven't paid attention to Okposo, but that actually sounded a lot worse than I was hoping. I would totally keep Turris above that. And you guys all know me and Turris.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Article in the Athletic today talking about why Brian Boyle remains unsigned suggests that we have interest in him (alongside the Panthers and Rangers). The article suggests that we could be trying to move parts (presumably Bonino or Turris) to make it work, but that the whole NHL is at a standstill regarding moves due to all the RFA holdouts. Suggests to me that the hold up with a Josi contract could be the front office trying to get a better handle on what we can offer him and that would depend on if we can ship out either of those contracts.

 

[PredsHead]

Article in the Athletic today talking about why Brian Boyle remains unsigned suggests that we have interest in him (alongside the Panthers and Rangers). The article suggests that we could be trying to move parts (presumably Bonino or Turris) to make it work, but that the whole NHL is at a standstill regarding moves due to all the RFA holdouts. Suggests to me that the hold up with a Josi contract could be the front office trying to get a better handle on what we can offer him and that would depend on if we can ship out either of those contracts.

I am a big fan of bringing Boyle back, I think this team needs a "wily ole veteran" to help keep them in check at times. I could be completely wrong, but I would think Smith would be much easier to move than either Turris or Bonino since they both are signed past this season. He would also likely pull a bigger return than either of them and I think we could offset Smith's loss easier than losing a center. If Tolvanen does take a Top 6 spot this year, then Smith would be getting 3rd line minutes and IMO a line Boyle, Turris and either Sissons, Jarnkrok or Grimaldi is better or at least as good as a line of Boyle, Smith and either Sissons or Bonino would be.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Article in the Athletic today talking about why Brian Boyle remains unsigned suggests that we have interest in him (alongside the Panthers and Rangers). The article suggests that we could be trying to move parts (presumably Bonino or Turris) to make it work, but that the whole NHL is at a standstill regarding moves due to all the RFA holdouts. Suggests to me that the hold up with a Josi contract could be the front office trying to get a better handle on what we can offer him and that would depend on if we can ship out either of those contracts.

That sounds interesting. Although I don't think we really have to move anybody. Right now we have $2M in cap space and if Boyle came in that would presumably bump Salomaki off our default roster and we'd have $2.75M to spend on him.

I don't know how much a cushion Poile thinks he needs to have... clearly a fair number of teams are approaching this season with the idea that they can shoehorn themselves just under the cap and aren't leaving any meaningful cushion at all.

But at this point, I don't see how Boyle commands any more $2M anyway. So we should have at least a little $750k or so cushion even if we did sign him.

Obviously moving Bonino or Turris in a productive trade would also be worth considering. Just saying I don't think it's 100% necessary.

 

[Predsanddead24]

That sounds interesting. Although I don't think we really have to move anybody. Right now we have $2M in cap space and if Boyle came in that would presumably bump Salomaki off our default roster and we'd have $2.75M to spend on him.

I don't know how much a cushion Poile thinks he needs to have... clearly a fair number of teams are approaching this season with the idea that they can shoehorn themselves just under the cap and aren't leaving any meaningful cushion at all.

But at this point, I don't see how Boyle commands any more $2M anyway. So we should have at least a little $750k or so cushion even if we did sign him.

Obviously moving Bonino or Turris in a productive trade would also be worth considering. Just saying I don't think it's 100% necessary.

Could be a matter of real cash being paid out as well. We've never been this close to the cap before and add on to that paying out $15 million dollars in signing bonuses to Duchene and Ellis could have the owners wanting to avoid bringing on another depth player without moving out some salary.

 

[PredsHead]

That sounds interesting. Although I don't think we really have to move anybody. Right now we have $2M in cap space and if Boyle came in that would presumably bump Salomaki off our default roster and we'd have $2.75M to spend on him.

I don't know how much a cushion Poile thinks he needs to have... clearly a fair number of teams are approaching this season with the idea that they can shoehorn themselves just under the cap and aren't leaving any meaningful cushion at all.

But at this point, I don't see how Boyle commands any more $2M anyway. So we should have at least a little $750k or so cushion even if we did sign him.

Obviously moving Bonino or Turris in a productive trade would also be worth considering. Just saying I don't think it's 100% necessary.

I would assume they would want to keep at the very least $925k in order to be able to bring Pitlick or Davies up if there was an injury call-up. I would sleep better if they kept at least $1.85M in space so they could make two call-ups at the same time if needed. Which you could do even if you ate a chunk of Smith's contract to facilitate a better return.

 

[GoldOnGold]

I've advocated for trading Bonino and signing Boyle as the 4C in past and it sounds like they might actually be trying to do that.

 

[Predsanddead24]

I've advocated for trading Bonino and signing Boyle as the 4C in past and it sounds like they might actually be trying to do that.

I wouldn't be adverse to this move. Wouldn't be the worst idea to ship out Bonino now after a good season stats wise and not risk the potential of him struggling this year and being stuck with him. I wonder what teams might be interested in that could fit his contract. Maybe Colorado once they get Rantanen sorted out? Columbus maybe?

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I wouldn't be adverse to this move. Wouldn't be the worst idea to ship out Bonino now after a good season stats wise and not risk the potential of him struggling this year and being stuck with him. I wonder what teams might be interested in that could fit his contract. Maybe Colorado once they get Rantanen sorted out? Columbus maybe?

I'd rather not send further depth to a team already likely to be a significant challenge for us this season.

 

[BigFatCat999]

I'm curious. Boyle is he a PP specialist? Can he play PK?

 

[Predsanddead24]

I'd rather not send further depth to a team already likely to be a significant challenge for us this season.

Fair point. Mainly just spitballing on who even has the need and cap space for Bonino.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I'm curious. Boyle is he a PP specialist? Can he play PK?

He is considered something of a PP specialist, in the sense of being a huge body in front of the net, mostly. With good enough hands to put a few in.

He can't play PK at this point, I don't suppose. A little too slow --- but we don't lack for forwards who can PK, so I doubt he would be considered in that role. I think he used to in his prime... smart enough and hard-working and all that... but just not something we'd be looking to him for.

Veteran leadership in the room is probably his biggest specialty of all for us.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Buffalo guys have asked about Turris/Bonino. I'd still not be averse to trading one of them for a little short-term help at RD.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Buffalo guys have asked about Turris/Bonino. I'd still not be averse to trading one of them for a little short-term help at RD.

Buffalo not a great trading partner if we want a RD. Their only excess options are going to be UFAs. Unless we're getting a nice add as well, that's pretty poor value for either Turris or Bonino.

 

[BigFatCat999]

OK, now Kyle Connor, Patrick Laine, and Mikko Rantanen stay off the ice, Take your time.

 

[Scoresberg]

Konecny re-signs in Philly for 6 years & $5.5M. At least somewhat comparable for Smith, except less term and probably a little less money?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Konecny re-signs in Philly for 6 years & $5.5M. At least somewhat comparable for Smith, except less term and probably a little less money?

I don't know... there are major differences in where they are at in their careers, though. Konecny was RFA and there is probably reason to hope he still has a higher production ceiling somewhere in his future. Smith will be UFA, but most would say he has already established his peak output. As you say, a little less term and less money would be preferable for Smith... 4yrs x $5M might be something I'd be down for. Assuming he keeps up his usual pace this season.