[Official] Fire/Tolerate Travis Green Thread

[Cupless44]

I was not impressed by Green calling out Goldobin for only scoring 2 goals and 2 assists in his last 22 games while bouncing around on lines and in and out of the line up. Goldy was playing quite well on the Pettersson line to start then then got removed when Leivo was acquired and it has been all downhill. Should it be mentioned that Leivo has 2 goals and 2 assists in his last 18 games, all with Pettersson?

Should some of the other droughts of Motte, Eriksson, Schaller, Beagle, Granlund, Virtanen be laid out for the media?

 

[Canucks1096]

Green needs to go. He is just as bad as Willy. All this mythe that he is great at developing young players. Where is the evidences? There is almost no scoring supporting casts outside the big 3. If Green was great at developing players. Within the last few years there should be a strong supporting casts and a lot of players making the nhl from the ahl. I believe there is only one player that he coached at least full season in Utica that made to the nhl and that's Virtanen. His offensive game didn't really improve since day 1. All Green did was made him play a regular shift and not make a lot of mistakes.

I never seen a coach pretty much single handedly destroyed what looks like to be a solid season by a player. Goldobin had 23 P in 39 games. On pace for around 50 points. Made a few mistakes or something about Goldobin that Green doesn't like made him a healthy scratch. After that Goldobin couldn't recover. Regardless of whatever mistake Goldobin made. He deserve to be in the lineup. He is still among the top 9 forwards and one of only few players that can put up points. All this stuff about him be liability defensive is not true. When Goldobin is on the ice, Canucks are not completely outshot out there. According to Canucks Army. Pettersson with Goldobin They have 20 GF 9 GA. Pettersson without Goldobin 24 GF 28 GA. Pettersson is actually minus player without Goldobin.

I think Goldobin is trying hard out there to not to make mistake and that is impacting his offence. One mistake he makes he is a healthy scratch. While others get a free pass. Seem like Green wants to turn Goldobin into Motte. No wonder the offence is gone.

My 25 years of watching Hockey. I never seen a coach single handedly destroyed a great potential solid season from a player

 

[Canucks1096]

Green is too old school of a coach. The last few years 4 of the smallest players in the organization never got a fair chance. Goldobin Stecher Biega Subban. Green just doesn't like small players.

Goldobin read above

Stecher last year he started the season on the 3rd pairing playing 12 to 14 mins a game. The year before he was named the Canucks best D. By the end of last year with Tanev and Gudbranson out, Stecher was playing really well as a top 4 D with Edler. This season starts Stecher on the 3rd pairing behind Tanev and Gudbranson. No pp time or PK. So half way through the season Stecher gets Promoted in the top 4 beside Hutton. It took a year and a half for Green to realize Stecher is one of the better D on the team. For the first year and a half Green only saw his size and not the other skillset he brings to the team.

Biega by default he is the team 7th or 8th d. He is not a top 4 D but he is better option than Gudbranson and Pouliot. It took a year and half for Biega to play ahead of Pouliot. Another small D that Green took a half to give a bigger role.

Subban. Utica coach has a lot of say on what player gets called up. End of 2016/2017 when Green was Utica coach and Canucks were out of the playoffs. Why didn't Subban get called up? In the ahl Subban was able to put up points and wasn't a liability in his own ends. His possession were quite good. This was according to tsn. I believe Green pretty much made up his mind that Subban is 5-9 and he couldn't play. No harm to let Subban play a few games to know for sure on what we have in Subban. He might not be a future nhl player but his play in Utica deserve a called up

Green has to get fired.

 

[Zippgunn]

Green needs to go. He is just as bad as Willy. All this mythe that he is great at developing young players. Where is the evidences? There is almost no scoring supporting casts outside the big 3. If Green was great at developing players. Within the last few years there should be a strong supporting casts and a lot of players making the nhl from the ahl. I believe there is only one player that he coached at least full season in Utica that made to the nhl and that's Virtanen. His offensive game didn't really improve since day 1. All Green did was made him play a regular shift and not make a lot of mistakes.

I never seen a coach pretty much single handedly destroyed what looks like to be a solid season by a player. Goldobin had 23 P in 39 games. On pace for around 50 points. Made a few mistakes or something about Goldobin that Green doesn't like made him a healthy scratch. After that Goldobin couldn't recover. Regardless of whatever mistake Goldobin made. He deserve to be in the lineup. He is still among the top 9 forwards and one of only few players that can put up points. All this stuff about him be liability defensive is not true. When Goldobin is on the ice, Canucks are not completely outshot out there. According to Canucks Army. Pettersson with Goldobin They have 20 GF 9 GA. Pettersson without Goldobin 24 GF 28 GA. Pettersson is actually minus player without Goldobin.

I think Goldobin is trying hard out there to not to make mistake and that is impacting his offence. One mistake he makes he is a healthy scratch. While others get a free pass. Seem like Green wants to turn Goldobin into Motte. No wonder the offence is gone.

My 25 years of watching Hockey. I never seen a coach single handedly destroyed a great potential solid season from a player

Wow, you know things are getting bad in Canuck nation when the coach is said to be "just as bad as Willie". Up till now it's always been "he's bad but not as bad as Willie". It's taken awhile but it looks like the honeymoon with Green is over...

 

[ErrantShepherd]

Green is too old school of a coach. The last few years 4 of the smallest players in the organization never got a fair chance. Goldobin Stecher Biega Subban. Green just doesn't like small players.

Goldobin read above

Stecher last year he started the season on the 3rd pairing playing 12 to 14 mins a game. The year before he was named the Canucks best D. By the end of last year with Tanev and Gudbranson out, Stecher was playing really well as a top 4 D with Edler. This season starts Stecher on the 3rd pairing behind Tanev and Gudbranson. No pp time or PK. So half way through the season Stecher gets Promoted in the top 4 beside Hutton. It took a year and a half for Green to realize Stecher is one of the better D on the team. For the first year and a half Green only saw his size and not the other skillset he brings to the team.

Biega by default he is the team 7th or 8th d. He is not a top 4 D but he is better option than Gudbranson and Pouliot. It took a year and half for Biega to play ahead of Pouliot. Another small D that Green took a half to give a bigger role.

Subban. Utica coach has a lot of say on what player gets called up. End of 2016/2017 when Green was Utica coach and Canucks were out of the playoffs. Why didn't Subban get called up? In the ahl Subban was able to put up points and wasn't a liability in his own ends. His possession were quite good. This was according to tsn. I believe Green pretty much made up his mind that Subban is 5-9 and he couldn't play. No harm to let Subban play a few games to know for sure on what we have in Subban. He might not be a future nhl player but his play in Utica deserve a called up

Green has to get fired.

Still remains to be seen what happens with Goldy.

Stecher and Biega are both smaller players in the NHL, that's always going to work against them. Both are consistently playing the lineup, Stecher especially seems to be highly valued currently. Its definitely arguable these players should have been given more playtime earlier in the season, especially over Gudbranson, but the focus on Pouliot and Gudbranson this year has played itself out.

Subban hasn't done anything to prove he's an NHL player or worth a callup as far as I am aware... it seems rather irrelevant to whether Green is a capable NHL coach.

I'm not going to pretend Green is a Jack Adams coach but honestly so many of the complaints just seem like the usual griping from any fanbase about their coach, nothing actually firing worthy.

 

[Grub]

Fire his ass.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

Fire his ass.

Give a good reason.

 

[Fatass]

Give a good reason.

Our young core guys deserve an experienced and winning coach. Quenville would be a reason to fire Green, no? Dump JB too, and get an experienced and winning GM.

 

[Donuts]

Yes especially if they can convince quenville to coach this team

 

[Zippgunn]

Yes especially if they can convince quenville to coach this team

JQ wouldn't touch this franchise with a ten foot cattle prod...

 

[Canucks1096]

JQ wouldn't touch this franchise with a ten foot cattle prod...

He touched Chicago when they missed the playoffs 9 out of 10 seasons.

 

[me2]

He touched Chicago when they missed the playoffs 9 out of 10 seasons.

out of work coaches are not that fussy

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I was not impressed by Green calling out Goldobin for only scoring 2 goals and 2 assists in his last 22 games while bouncing around on lines and in and out of the line up. Goldy was playing quite well on the Pettersson line to start then then got removed when Leivo was acquired and it has been all downhill. Should it be mentioned that Leivo has 2 goals and 2 assists in his last 18 games, all with Pettersson?

Should some of the other droughts of Motte, Eriksson, Schaller, Beagle, Granlund, Virtanen be laid out for the media?

I wonder how AV,Qnenneville,Hitchcock,Babcock would have dealt with Goldoblin..?

I don’t think Goldy would get half the rope that Green gives him compared to those other coaches..

 

[Oliewud]

u cant polish a turd folks, this is a bad lineup.

 

[JuniorNelson]

Any coach that ices a team without a Captain or is party to it, should be out of the league. Is there anything more demeaning than infering nobody is good enough? WTF?

 

[Grub]

u cant polish a turd folks, this is a bad lineup.

But you can add another turd and make it smell much worst.

 

[tantalum]

I don't think he's a coach you worry about replacing. I don't think he's terrible but he's also not what I would call a good coach.

I'm not that upset about Goldobin. Now I still stick to the belief that this year they should have just played him warts and all and then make a decision to move on from him or not (likely move on) but I don't see a NHL player in Goldobin. Or at least a good one that has any sort of role on a good team.

But there are other things as well of course that make me question his coaching ability. We've all seen the overplaying of players who are even more useless than Goldobin. We've seen him ask for veterans like Beagle.

But he's not the major issue with this team. The major issue is clearly management.

 

[pgj98m3]

I wonder how AV,Qnenneville,Hitchcock,Babcock would have dealt with Goldoblin..?

I don’t think Goldy would get half the rope that Green gives him compared to those other coaches..

Do your arms ever get tired from pumping magt's and coaches tires?????????

 

[Fatass]

I wonder how AV,Qnenneville,Hitchcock,Babcock would have dealt with Goldoblin..?

I don’t think Goldy would get half the rope that Green gives him compared to those other coaches..

Those are great, and experienced coaches who would put Goldy in a spot to succeed. They certainly wouldn’t try to make a defensive specialist out of Goldy, like ?Green has done. Green grinds the offence out of guys. He refuses to see these gifted players need to be free from the shackles he insists on binding their creativity with.

 

[I am toxic]

I was not impressed by Green calling out Goldobin for only scoring 2 goals and 2 assists in his last 22 games while bouncing around on lines and in and out of the line up. Goldy was playing quite well on the Pettersson line to start then then got removed when Leivo was acquired and it has been all downhill. Should it be mentioned that Leivo has 2 goals and 2 assists in his last 18 games, all with Pettersson?

Should some of the other droughts of Motte, Eriksson, Schaller, Beagle, Granlund, Virtanen be laid out for the media?

Cap Hits:

Motte $925,000
Eriksson $6,000,000
Schaller $1,900,000
Beagle $3,000,000
Granlund $1,480,000
Virtanen $1,250,000

Guess what Goldy's cap hit is. Hint: it's less than Motte

 

[Fatass]

Cap Hits:

Motte $925,000
Eriksson $6,000,000
Schaller $1,900,000
Beagle $3,000,000
Granlund $1,480,000
Virtanen $1,250,000

Guess what Goldy's cap hit is. Hint: it's less than Motte

And Goldy has elite skill. Green has no clue what to do with elite skilled plYers. He’s reined in Pettersson and Boeser too! Our top guys are too restricted. They are afraid to make a turnover, and thinking way too much.
Green has to go, and put JB in the same taxi to the airport.

 

[tantalum]

Those are great, and experienced coaches who would put Goldy in a spot to succeed. They certainly wouldn’t try to make a defensive specialist out of Goldy, like ?Green has done. Green grinds the offence out of guys. He refuses to see these gifted players need to be free from the shackles he insists on binding their creativity with.

Honestly not true IMO. They would have provided him some rope and when he proved to not actually be learning he would be eating popcorn just like he is here. Green in the end did give him some rope and Goldobin hung himself. Well I'll correct that...I'm not sure Hitchcock would have given him any rope. Defensive lapses mean no ice under under 'ole Ken. We witnessed what AV does with players that struggle with 5-on-5 defensive play. They go into his doghouse...young or not. It's why Hansen resided there for 18 months until he cleaned up his 5-on-5 responsibilities.

There are very few coaches in the league that would put up with the lapses Goldobin has if he isn't producing (and he wasn't). The ones that do would be on bottom feeder teams who are just giving kids icetime to see what they can get out of them (and even then that seems rare in the NHL). Now, that is the situation the canucks should have been in to be sure but it's disingenuous to suggest Green is extra hard on him compared to what other coaches would be. I don't think that's the case. I think most coaches would come to the same conclusion on this player. He doesn't produce enough to put up with his highly visible errors.

Now that doesn't mean others are better players than him or anything. Just that in the NHl coaches are going to lean towards the muckers and grinders over the the talent who doesn't produce and brings nothing else to the table. That may be wrong (in many cases it isn't) but that is how it is.

 

[Fatass]

Honestly not true IMO. They would have provided him some rope and when he proved to not actually be learning he would be eating popcorn just like he is here. Green in the end did give him some rope and Goldobin hung himself. Well I'll correct that...I'm not sure Hitchcock would have given him any rope. Defensive lapses mean no ice under under 'ole Ken. We witnessed what AV does with players that struggle with 5-on-5 defensive play. They go into his doghouse...young or not. It's why Hansen resided their for 18 months until he cleaned up his 5-on-5 responsibilities.

There are very few coaches in the league that would put up with the lapses Goldobin has if he isn't producing (and he wasn't). The ones that do would be on bottom feeder teams who are just giving kids icetime to see what they can get out of them (and even then that seems rare in the NHL). Now, that is the situation the canucks should have been in to be sure but it's disingenuous to suggest Green is extra hard on him compared to what other coaches would be. I don't think that's the case. I think most coaches would come to the same conclusion on this player. He doesn't produce enough to put up with his highly visible errors.

Now that doesn't mean others are better players than him or anything. Just that in the nHl coaches are going to lean towards the muckers and grinders over the the talent who doesn't produce and brings nothing else to the table. That may be wrong (in many cases it isn't) but that is how it is.

Here’s something we can agree on. Tanti could score.

 

[Mathew Barzal]

Man, this thread is full of horseshit. Glad I don't frequent this sub that much anymore.

Green is doing fine with what he's been given. Comparing him to Desjardins ...? Yeesh.

 

[tantalum]

Man, this thread is full of horse****. Glad I don't frequent this sub that much anymore.

Green is doing fine with what he's been given. Comparing him to Desjardins ...? Yeesh.

He hasn't been given anything and why I said the biggest issue is clearly above him in the food chain. That said, I'm not sure Green helps himself at all. But he also certainly isn't Tank Commander Willie.

 

[4Twenty]

Man, this thread is full of horse****. Glad I don't frequent this sub that much anymore.

Green is doing fine with what he's been given. Comparing him to Desjardins ...? Yeesh.

Whenever someone writes so and so has been "fine"....it doesn't really mean anything.

Tell us what makes it fine. What strings is he pulling? Where is he strong? Where is he weak? Who has improved under him? What sets him apart from Desjardins?

I know people like to attribute Hutton to him, but Hutton put up 2 seasons at this level before Travis got here.