Speculation: Official 2022 Coyotes Off Season Discussion

[Coyotedroppings]

Coyotes have a ton of mediocre depth

Isn't that the truth? And we have some posters eyeing Lord Stanley's cup in 3-5 years.

 

[hbk]

My only concern in this is the lack of dialogue. Garland was still complaining about it months later. Took it personally.

The Crouse negotiations are probably something for us to pay very close attention to. I worry about BA as a contract negotiator. Might be too tough. Like he was as a coach before he learned his lesson. He's got the gumption for a slash and burn rebuild and holding other GM's feet to the fire. But does he have the soft touch needed not to alienate his own players?

Artful and strategic concessions are a key part in a healthy negotiation. Never bending an inch isn't a strength when it comes to contracts for your own guys. The Crouse test-case will be illuminating I think. The player wants to be here. The team wants him here. Everyone wants long term. This should NOT turn ugly. And it should NOT go to arbitration. If those things happen, we've got cause for concern.

There’s a lot we don’t yet know about BA due to the very unique nature of his early career here.

if you keep calling then it's perceived as weakness and you are desperate to deal. When I got into these situations in my negotiations every now and then I would remind the other party "my phone does dial in you know". This is just posturing and it's normal.

 

[Kai Yo T]

I find it suspect that these players were happier to stay on a team stuck in perpetual mediocrity than ti stick around for a proper rebuild. I'm salty. I hope we win a cup before anyone that wanted to leave does lol.

 

[Jakey53]

if you keep calling then it's perceived as weakness and you are desperate to deal. When I got into these situations in my negotiations every now and then I would remind the other party "my phone does dial in you know". This is just posturing and it's normal.

Maybe, but with Garland it was crickets, and now again with Crouse, and we all know what happened with Garland. Maybe they are talking and Morgan is wrong, again. We could be jumping to conclusions here.

 

[Jakey53]

I find it suspect that these players were happier to stay on a team stuck in perpetual mediocrity than ti stick around for a proper rebuild. I'm salty. I hope we win a cup before anyone that wanted to leave does lol.

We may not win a cup this decade. The thing is, is this a proper rebuild? BA has never done it before, in fact I don't think any team has tore down a team to this extent. Many questions marks yet to be answered.

 

[Kai Yo T]

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I say 'proper' rebuild because: A) For the first time the team has committed 100% and B) This rebuild is being carried out with the knowledge of what HAS worked for other teams. Of course there's no guarantee, but cant do much more. There's no guarantee that the player's wanting out don't end up on a future mediocre team or bottom feeder either.































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































I can't reply directly to posts. Whenever I do the cursor jumps around while I'm typing, it inserts spaces and lines and also adds my response to the quote box making my response look like part of their quote. I almost can't use this site on mobile anymore. Been like this for months.















Edit: looks like it's messing up even without me quoting lol. Sorry y'all

 

[CoSi]

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I say 'proper' rebuild because: A) For the first time the team has committed 100% and B) This rebuild is being carried out with the knowledge of what HAS worked for other teams. Of course there's no guarantee, but cant do much more. There's no guarantee that the player's wanting out don't end up on a future mediocre team or bottom feeder either.































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































I can't reply directly to posts. Whenever I do the cursor jumps around while I'm typing, it inserts spaces and lines and also adds my response to the quote box making my response look like part of their quote. I almost can't use this site on mobile anymore. Been like this for months.















Edit: looks like it's messing up even without me quoting lol. Sorry y'all

This might be the longest post on this website

 

[Kai Yo T]

The more I try to fix it the worse it gets haha!

 

[Schemp]

The more I try to fix it the worse it gets haha!

I see that the trickster has infiltrated HFBOARDS. Don't mock the KaiYoTe'.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

Isn't that the truth? And we have some posters eyeing Lord Stanley's cup in 3-5 years.

The same delusional people that think tanking is a panacea. All you have to do is be bad enough for long enough and then you'll be good.

We're already seeing in this discussion the seeds of its failure - the possibility of doing great on the 'be bad' part but then not being able to keep your better players around....and then staring another 8-10 year no-playoff streak in the face.

 

[Mosby]

Pressure point on Crouse will come when we know the date of the arb hearing

 

[hbk]

Pressure point on Crouse will come when we know the date of the arb hearing

August 8th.

 

[rt]

August 8th.

AKA - a week from Monday. Haha.

The same delusional people that think tanking is a panacea. All you have to do is be bad enough for long enough and then you'll be good.

We're already seeing in this discussion the seeds of its failure - the possibility of doing great on the 'be bad' part but then not being able to keep your better players around....and then staring another 8-10 year no-playoff streak in the face.

It would be wise to keep Crouse and to mend fences with Chychrun. Hopefully we get Bedard, but if our plan is to add him and Cooley and Guenther and Geekie all in the next 15 months, they’re going to need the likes of Keller, Crouse, Schmaltz, and Chychrun around to shelter, insulate, and guide them. Otherwise we turn into the oilers.

 

[rt]

I found our new first pairing…

 

[hbk]

I found our new first pairing…

That's how you debate! seriously this is a strong tank. We put 110% into orchestrating a 2 year plan to get to this point. If the Hawks think they are just going to wake up one day and decide to tank they have to get in f'ing line.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

I found our new first pairing…

nice find. And that's why they're no longer on playoff teams... But never fear, Madden and Tourigny are on the case!

 

[rt]

Can we offer him 1yr, 8mil and a promise to send him whenever he wants with max retention at the deadline?



Just so as to raise Chychrun’s trade value, making him the last available blueliner of note?

 

[RABBIT]

I found our new first pairing…

Armstrong’s new intern

 

[Grimes]

Armstrong’s new intern

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Amazing content here, great job Rabbit. I'm literally applauding.

 

[Mangosteen]

if you keep calling then it's perceived as weakness and you are desperate to deal. When I got into these situations in my negotiations every now and then I would remind the other party "my phone does dial in you know". This is just posturing and it's normal.

In my experience last minute deals seldom work for both parties. You think they would be looking for a win win right now.

 

[wbwing]

Better yet, sign him for 2 or 3 years at a slightly elevated value. Then flip him at the deadline with enough retained to make him more than a rental and extract an even better return.

Can we offer him 1yr, 8mil and a promise to send him whenever he wants with max retention at the deadline?



Just so as to raise Chychrun’s trade value, making him the last available blueliner of note?

 

[Mangosteen]

AKA - a week from Monday. Haha.


It would be wise to keep Crouse and to mend fences with Chychrun. Hopefully we get Bedard, but if our plan is to add him and Cooley and Guenther and Geekie all in the next 15 months, they’re going to need the likes of Keller, Crouse, Schmaltz, and Chychrun around to shelter, insulate, and guide them. Otherwise we turn into the oilers.

We are looking more like Buffalo

 

[hbk]

In my experience last minute deals seldom work for both parties. You think they would be looking for a win win right now.

The same deal available today will be available in a week. They could get this done now no question. Sometimes this is just how it plays out.

 

[moosemeister]

Josh Bailey and Panik for a 1st

Crouse to someone for a 1st

Chychrun for a package including a 2023 1st.

BA loads up for the 2023 draft. We continue the tank.

 

[Coyotes19c]

Josh Bailey and Panik for a 1st

Crouse to someone for a 1st

Chychrun for a package including a 2023 1st.

BA loads up for the 2023 draft. We continue the tank.

Why is everyone saying Crouse’s name now?