Offer Sheet Thread
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No offer sheet has been accepted, we don’t know if any were actually made. There probably wasn’t any but technically if they aren’t accepted we wouldn’t know about it.
OldCraig71
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There won't be any offer sheets happening. Likely many trades will go down. Everybody has learned their lessons with offer sheets in the past.
Scintillating10
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Yup, you're right. Good call. We could offer sheet a Kapanen little over 4 million for 5 years and only surrender a 2nd round pick. Makes it tough on Leafs signing a Marner
And I'm saying those reasons are false. Offer sheets don't happen because it requires a perfect storm. It requires that the player actually wants to sign it. It requires that the players contract demands aren't outrageous to begin with. It requires that a team wants to give enough money that another team won't match it. It requires the chasing team to not only have the cap space, but also the proper draft picks. It also requires that the rival team be up against the cap. It also requires that the draft picks be worth it so eliminate any rebuilding teams.
23 teams can make an 8 Million dollar offersheet this year. But not all of those 23 are in a real position to make one. Of those 23 I'd guess that 15 are probably mindful that they are either lottery, or playoff bubble teams next year. That leave only 8 teams that are comfortably in offer-sheet territory. Couple of those 8 are in cap trouble so at the end of the day there will only ever be a handful of teams who are in a real position to even consider offer sheets.
Those are the reasons we don't have offer sheets.
What does Weber's salary have to do with no more offer sheets? And what did you mean by blacklist? that they stop getting invited to the hippest GM parties?
Kotkaniemi15
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Exactly. Blacklists aren’t real. Even though the Flyers made an offer sheet on Weber and put them in a difficult cap situation, the Flyers and Predators still made trades after that. The Flyers sent Wayne Simmonds there.
Most teams can get the really good players locked up. It's those second tier guys who could really start to cause some issues. Kevin Leblanc (SJ) Kapanen (TOR) Kerfoot (COL). The one more established guy who could be at risk in my opinion is William Karlsson. Vegas isn't in the greatest cap position.
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1) I would not go after offer sheets but I don't agree there is no reason to believe the Leafs won't be able to clear cap space. It's not impossible but thinking this will be easy is a massive stretch. They will try to move Zaitsev but that will require them liquidating him and what team is going to take on that contract without getting something on top or the asking the Leafs to retain?
2) Domi won't sign any offer sheet unless we are being really cheap with him in contract negotiations. Doubt this will happen but we will see. Do we extend him this off season or wait? Based on his first year in Montreal, what would Domi agree to if we negotiate a extension this off season? That's a tough question
slybel
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One good year with 72 pts and 28 goals. Would he leave a bit of money on the table to sign an extension that works for him and the Habs this summer? Or he is looking to prove himself further and cash in next off season?
I'd certainly talk to his agent and ask them what they would want in 6, 7, and 8 year deals this off season. Then you go from there. Problem is if you are too cheap now, you might pay more later (example: Subban).
slybel
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He wants to stay now... might as well offer him something nice long term. Else, like you said, comes 2 years... he gets a 90 points season and it's 9m! (Wishful here)
You seem to be a true believer in offer sheets. However, nobody really tries and the reasons have been stated. It's a risky move and a low move to play around with your opponents salary cap. You don't have many friends after wether you get promoted or get invited to the hippiest parties.
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How about offer sheeting Laine?
If you think about it, the year he just had was like a blessing in disguise. How much is Winnipeg willing to pay a player that just had an extremely inconsistent season? From what I hear it was almost Drouin like. Would you be willing to pay a Drouin like player in term of consistency and effort 11m? 10m? Idk, maybe maybe not but was does Bergevin has to lose here?
He could make an offer just under the 4 1st rd pick compensation or get aggressive an go all out. With a hungry Price and the promising young team in front of him, the Habs will probably pick in the mid 1st or lower for the coming years (unless a lucky loterry win). Will they ever draft a player of Laine's caliber in the next 4 years if they keep the picks? I doubt it, why not just go for it. Again, absolutely nothing to lose.
Is it a dirty move? In the eyes of Winnipeg, yea off course it's a dirty move. But in the eyes of Laine, he would probably rather play in Montreal over Winnipeg. Not to blaspheme but he would definitely become a god in Montreal. Superstardom in Montreal would be a lot different than Winnipeg. Laine knows he can become a superstar and I'm sure he'd rather have a career in Montreal instead of Winnipeg.
On top of that, you add the Finnish connection plus ex-teammate Armia, the other young finns like Kotka and Lekhonen, the fans, the city... Why wouldn't he want to play here? I'm sure Armia could pick his brains and somewhat hint to the Canadiens management if he would be interested.
The question is how much are you willing to pay for Laine? Would it be a gamble to overpay? Definitely, but I feel like it would be a worthy one with good odds. I'd place my bets on a motivated Laine hungry to become a Montreal Canadiens legend any day.
With this new system, locker room, everyone buying in, all these factor leads me to believe that Laine would buy in aswell and become the best version of himself.
If I was Bergevin, I'd definitely offer sheet Laine.
If you think about it, the year he just had was like a blessing in disguise. How much is Winnipeg willing to pay a player that just had an extremely inconsistent season? From what I hear it was almost Drouin like. Would you be willing to pay a Drouin like player in term of consistency and effort 11m? 10m? Idk, maybe maybe not but was does Bergevin has to lose here?
He could make an offer just under the 4 1st rd pick compensation or get aggressive an go all out. With a hungry Price and the promising young team in front of him, the Habs will probably pick in the mid 1st or lower for the coming years (unless a lucky loterry win). Will they ever draft a player of Laine's caliber in the next 4 years if they keep the picks? I doubt it, why not just go for it. Again, absolutely nothing to lose.
Is it a dirty move? In the eyes of Winnipeg, yea off course it's a dirty move. But in the eyes of Laine, he would probably rather play in Montreal over Winnipeg. Not to blaspheme but he would definitely become a god in Montreal. Superstardom in Montreal would be a lot different than Winnipeg. Laine knows he can become a superstar and I'm sure he'd rather have a career in Montreal instead of Winnipeg.
On top of that, you add the Finnish connection plus ex-teammate Armia, the other young finns like Kotka and Lekhonen, the fans, the city... Why wouldn't he want to play here? I'm sure Armia could pick his brains and somewhat hint to the Canadiens management if he would be interested.
The question is how much are you willing to pay for Laine? Would it be a gamble to overpay? Definitely, but I feel like it would be a worthy one with good odds. I'd place my bets on a motivated Laine hungry to become a Montreal Canadiens legend any day.
With this new system, locker room, everyone buying in, all these factor leads me to believe that Laine would buy in aswell and become the best version of himself.
If I was Bergevin, I'd definitely offer sheet Laine.
Kotkaniemi15
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Would you guys give Brayden Point a big offer sheet in the summer? I was thinking about if it would make sense for the Habs because he’s a 90 point two way centre but also plays on Tampa. Half of his chances come from Kuch and the PP. We don’t have a Kuch or a decent PP so he wouldn’t produce like a 90 point guy. Point would come to MTL and produce like a 60 point guy.
Deebs
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I love Point since he was with the Warriors. He's always been a high output forward with grit. I don't think he'll be a consistent 90 point player, but definitely 80 going forward. He'll take less to stay in Tampa and I don't think we should offer as much as will be needed to sway him.
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You raise some interesting points, however I too would be skeptical of offering Laine over $10 million a year. He’s had two excellent seasons under his belt prior to this one but this season was really the year he needed to take that next step. And he didn’t. He was wildly inconsistent, when he’s on he’s arguably the best goal scorer in the league but when he’s off, he doesn’t do too much. He had way too many instances of being “off” this season for my comfort.
I think Winnipeg offers him a 2 year bridge type deal and I think that’ll also be what he’s after. Bet on himself and the cap raise and try and secure $12+ million 2 years from now after 2 more great seasons.
I doubt Bergevin even has his eyes on Laine and I’m not sure how well he’d fit on a Claude Julien coached team.
If Bergevin gives someone an offer sheet this summer, which is already highly unlikely, it’ll be to Brayden Point.
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Brayden Point would be an amazing add for sure. The way he plays would fit like a glove with this new Montreal system. But having a guy like Laine on the left half wall for the power play would completely change the game. Power play was the habs biggest weakness and that would more than solve it. His inconsistency definitely is a risk, but he's still young and if properly coached and surrounded I feel like he could become a more complete player.
But yea I definitely wouldn't be mad at getting a guy like Brayden Point. The question is would Brayden Point sign an offersheet knowing he'd be moving from a contender with guys like Kucherov, Stamkos, Hedman, etc, to a bubble team like the Habs...
But like you said, either scenarios are highly unlikely haha
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