Proposal: Off Season Trade Thread vol. II

[The Fuhr*]

Sens only have so much budget and too many forwards already. Pass.

Gryba might get 2.5-3.0 in arbitration
57GP 2G 11Pts 161Hits
14:22ES 3:00SH

Luke Schenn: 3.6
Jared Cowen: 3.1
Karl Alzner: 2.8
Luca Sbisa: 2.175

Gryba has good arbitration numbers

 

[BankStreetParade]

Gryba might get 2.5-3.0 in arbitration
57GP 2G 11Pts 161Hits
14:22ES 3:00SH

Luke Schenn: 3.6
Jared Cowen: 3.1
Karl Alzner: 2.8
Luca Sbisa: 2.175

Gryba has good arbitration numbers

He played well this year when you consider how **** this team played.

 

[philb613]

no way in hell should Gryba be resigned at those numbers he should make 1.5 tops and i agree we have a log jam of 5/6 guys i'd be completely ok with Gryba's rights being dealt.

 

[trentmccleary]

Any interest in winger Kris Versteeg?

http://www.capgeek.com/blackhawks

$2.2 million with 2 years left on his contract.

If so, Kris Versteeg and David Rundblad for Eric Gryba would be the proposed trade.

If Hemsky and Michalek walk, for sure. It would feel like adding another MacArthur to play with Spezza. I feel like we should be giving up a little more though.

Eric Gryba on the 2nd pairing over albeit a not so good Cowen? Are you guys well? Personally I don't even see a need to even re-sign Gryba even though he's an RFA.. trade his rights or something.

we already have Borowiecki who can do the same job and Claesson who definitely deserves a chance considering the year he had down in Bingo. And not to mention if we actually sign or trade for a Top4 D.. we'd have a logjam.

Karlsson-Methot
Wiercioch Ceci
Cowen - Phillips
Boro/Claesson

2 right defenseman and 6 left defensemen?

Yes we do

Turris, Mac, Ryan, Spezza, Hemsky, Zibanejad, Karlsson, even Michalek are skill players who rely on their talent, not hard work. Turris and Mac also work very hard in addition to their skill, though.

We had Karlsson, _________ , Methot
They had Johnson, Wisniewski, Tyutin
There's one very important talent distinction right there.

They also have good offensive depth (posted by career high pts):
Johansen - 63
Horton - 62
Umberger - 57
Dubinsky - 54
Foligno - 47
Anisimov - 44
Letestu - 34

Gryba might get 2.5-3.0 in arbitration
57GP 2G 11Pts 161Hits
14:22ES 3:00SH

Luke Schenn: 3.6
Jared Cowen: 3.1
Karl Alzner: 2.8
Luca Sbisa: 2.175

Gryba has good arbitration numbers

Schenn was expected to become a top-4 d-man, which is why he (and Cowen) got paid. Gryba is not, a team will walk away if an arbitrator awards him that much and the team signing him will pay probably half of that amount.

 

[King Karlsson]

If Hemsky and Michalek walk, for sure. It would feel like adding another MacArthur to play with Spezza. I feel like we should be giving up a little more though.



2 right defenseman and 6 left defensemen?



We had Karlsson, _________ , Methot
They had Johnson, Wisniewski, Tyutin
There's one very important talent distinction right there.

They also have good offensive depth (posted by career high pts):
Johansen - 63
Horton - 62
Umberger - 57
Dubinsky - 54
Foligno - 47
Anisimov - 44
Letestu - 34



Schenn was expected to become a top-4 d-man, which is why he (and Cowen) got paid. Gryba is not, a team will walk away if an arbitrator awards him that much and the team signing him will pay probably half of that amount.

Oh were you talking defense? Yeah then I agree we have little talent but I don't think their defense is more "skilled" than ours. Might be overall better but not more skilled.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Oh were you talking defense? Yeah then I agree we have little talent but I don't think their defense is more "skilled" than ours. Might be overall better but not more skilled.

Our defense's skill is massively overrated since we only have Karlsson that is a proven skilled NHL dman

Methot is decent but he's not a skill-player and Ceci and Weircioch aren't proven yet

 

[The Fuhr*]

Schenn was expected to become a top-4 d-man, which is why he (and Cowen) got paid. Gryba is not, a team will walk away if an arbitrator awards him that much and the team signing him will pay probably half of that amount.

I agree but it still sucks losing an asset like Gryba for nothing... Arbitration will make him a UFA when he's awarded to much

And the team walks

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Well let's not get too ahead of ourselves

The team and Gryba might not get to arbitration

 

[guyzeur]

I agree but it still sucks losing an asset like Gryba for nothing... Arbitration will make him a UFA when he's awarded to much

And the team walks

They would sign and trade him before losing him for nothing.

 

[The Fuhr*]

They would sign and trade him before losing him for nothing.

If he's awarded 2.5-3.0 in arbitration and the team declines he's a UFA

If the team accepts with the intention of dealing him, hopefully another team will pay that much.

Gryba arbitration case will be more powerful then his actual value.

 

[RedWhiteBlackGold]

Well let's not get too ahead of ourselves

The team and Gryba might not get to arbitration

I don't think they will get to that point. I figure if the team wants to keep him he signs a 1 year 1 way contract worth 1.2-1.5.

He might get rewarded more through arbitration but I don't see any team that will sign him for more than 1.5.

 

[Sensinitis]

But even getting somewhat better is nowhere near enough to warrant being a 2nd pairing defenceman.

My optimism regarding Cowen is I really like Potvin's theory that it takes a defenseman (Hedman) 200 games to develop properly. Cowen would hit that mark this year, and I still think he'll develop into a 2nd pairing defenseman.

Just FYI, the saying is 300 games, not 200.

 

[Qward]

http://proxy.autopod.ca/podcasts/chum/1/21841/hnic's elliotte friedman with tgor.mp3

TSN1200 talks with Elliott Friedman.
@ 13 min mark.

Talks about how he thinks Spezza will be dealt and STL and NAS are best fit.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I'd think Spezza wouldn't really be down with Nashville but definitely could be down with St-Louis

 

[Qward]

I think the perfect return would be Shattenkirk and Berglund.

But seeing Murray doesn't listen to me, it would end up being rights to Steve Ott, a used Dryer and MPV.

 

[Icelevel]

I think the perfect return would be Shattenkirk and Berglund.

But seeing Murray doesn't listen to me, it would end up being rights to Steve Ott, a used Dryer and MPV.

both 25. i really like those guys. still feel like it needs a pick/prospect added, but very good start indeed. i'm with you

i think nashville might be a better team fit for spezza though. they would have less to 'lose' with that sort of change/addition than a st louis which is already a serious contender especially if healthy.

 

[Hammertyme]

If he's awarded 2.5-3.0 in arbitration and the team declines he's a UFA

If the team accepts with the intention of dealing him, hopefully another team will pay that much.

Gryba arbitration case will be more powerful then his actual value.

I think there are teams who want a Right handed, gritty, physical, PK'r, with very good goals against numbers who would not have an issue paying 2.5. When you look at what other solid stay at home d-men(<.3 points per game) make then you would see many are over the 3 mil mark.

 

[guyzeur]

I think there are teams who want a Right handed, gritty, physical, PK'r, with very good goals against numbers who would not have an issue paying 2.5. When you look at what other solid stay at home d-men(<.3 points per game) make then you would see many are over the 3 mil mark.

And he will get better defensively with more games under his belt. Although being 26 years old, he only played 90 games in the NHL.

You can be gritty and physical but if you're 5,10 180lbs, you won't scare people much. Gryba has the body (6.4 225lbs) to back up his style of play.

 

[Hammertyme]

And he will get better defensively with more games under his belt. Although being 26 years old, he only played 90 games in the NHL.

You can be gritty and physical but if you're 5,10 180lbs, you won't scare people much. Gryba has the body (6.4 225lbs) to back up his style of play.

Just did a quick check on Behind the Net and his numbers are similar to:

Volchenkov 4.2m, Brewer 3.8, Georges 3.8, Scuderi 3.3 Alzner 2.8 Schenn 3.8, M Stuart 2.8,COWEN 3.1 Matt Green 2.95

I don't think that he will be here next year. He will undoubtedly go to arbitration. Why would you leave a million on the table when careers can be short.

 

[branch]

I think the perfect return would be Shattenkirk and Berglund.

But seeing Murray doesn't listen to me, it would end up being rights to Steve Ott, a used Dryer and MPV.

leave MPVs out of this

 

[Hossa18]

http://proxy.autopod.ca/podcasts/chum/1/21841/hnic's elliotte friedman with tgor.mp3

TSN1200 talks with Elliott Friedman.
@ 13 min mark.

Talks about how he thinks Spezza will be dealt and STL and NAS are best fit.

With that being said, maybe we could get Josi + Forsberg + 1st for Spezza + Wiercioch....Not that I want to get rid of Wiercioch but I don't think Maclean has confidence in him.

I think there will be quite the bidding war for Spezza with teams like Tor, St.L, L.A, Ana, Nas and if rumors are true Col all bidding for him.

 

[Oil For The Boys]

If Spezza moves I hope it's for a similar return that Jordan Staal got. I'm not sure of the details of the Ryan Miller trade because it's awfully confusing, but I still believe St Louis has a first round draft pick and 3 2nd round picks. Rattie or Jaskin would probably have to come the other way and one of Berglund or Shattenkirk to round out the deal.

 

[Benjamin]

I'd want Hornqvist+ for Spezza. Hornqvist has a NTC though.

Im guessing Nashville would offer Wilson + Watson/Beck/Leipsic + 12th overall. Meh.

 

[Benjamin]

With that being said, maybe we could get Josi + Forsberg + 1st for Spezza + Wiercioch....Not that I want to get rid of Wiercioch but I don't think Maclean has confidence in him.

I think there will be quite the bidding war for Spezza with teams like Tor, St.L, L.A, Ana, Nas and if rumors are true Col all bidding for him.

Thats a mega overpayment for Spezza.

 

[Icelevel]

Thats a mega overpayment for Spezza.

don't think so. also, your hornqvist+ for spezza better involve a really really big +