Trade: [OAK/NYY] Sonny Gray to the Yankees for Mateo, Fowler & Kaprelian

[MurrayBannerman]

After listening to Tom Verduci yesterday, I love this trade for the A's.

Late load, 5 foot 10 only a few of the red flags

Ugh.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Sonny Gray is elite. His size doesn't mean a thing.

 

[Dave is a killer]

Sonny Gray is elite. His size doesn't mean a thing.

He may be elite, but his mechanics & late load are bad signs. There have only been 2 starters to start past the age of 30 with his height in the last 30 years. Those 2 being Steve Stone AND Flash Gordon, and those are just the facts.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

He may be elite, but his mechanics & late load are bad signs. There have only been 2 starters to start past the age of 30 with his height in the last 30 years. Those 2 being Steve Stone AND Flash Gordon, and those are just the facts.

I have literally never heard the term late load. I like to think I know a lot of scouting terms, but that's not one I've ever heard. Nor in the pitching community.

That's not it. Mike Hampton, Mike Leake, Teddy Higuera, Marcus Stroman, and Whitey Ford to name a few. Not to mention relievers like Billy Wagner, John Franco, Mike Marshall, Greg Holland, Kelvin Herrera, and AJ Ramos. Both of these lists drastically expand when you go up one inch, where most of the guys are even questionably 5'11".

It's not Sonny Gray's fault that there's an inherent bias against small pitchers that's finally being toppled over.

 

[bluesfan94]

Stroman/Leake aren't 30 yet but point taken

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Stroman/Leake aren't 30 yet but point taken

I just did the entire draft era, too.

But, yea, it's not their fault they didn't start. There was a significant bias against them.

 

[Voight]

I have literally never heard the term late load. I like to think I know a lot of scouting terms, but that's not one I've ever heard. Nor in the pitching community.

That's not it. Mike Hampton, Mike Leake, Teddy Higuera, Marcus Stroman, and Whitey Ford to name a few. Not to mention relievers like Billy Wagner, John Franco, Mike Marshall, Greg Holland, Kelvin Herrera, and AJ Ramos. Both of these lists drastically expand when you go up one inch, where most of the guys are even questionably 5'11".

It's not Sonny Gray's fault that there's an inherent bias against small pitchers that's finally being toppled over.

HDMH....

 

[darko]

I wouldn't go as far as saying that size doesn't mean a thing.

 

[darko]

Sonny Gray is elite. His size doesn't mean a thing.

It does but it's also way overblown.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Sonny Gray is elite. His size doesn't mean a thing.

Elite is a strong word. Gray is not even an ace, IMO. He's a good 2/3 pitcher.

To me, elite means Kershaw/Sale/Scherzer/Kluber. Gray is a tier or two below.

He pitched decent tonight. His defense making 3 errors cost him 2 unearned runs and getting even 2 runs off Kluber is a tough task.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

He's a lot closer to elite than a number 3.

 

[bluesfan94]

He may be elite, but his mechanics & late load are bad signs. There have only been 2 starters to start past the age of 30 with his height in the last 30 years. Those 2 being Steve Stone AND Flash Gordon, and those are just the facts.

Can you explain what late load is cause to me that's what happens at night if I have spicy food for dinner

 

[Dave is a killer]

Can you explain what late load is cause to me that's what happens at night if I have spicy food for dinner

Hope this video gets you through it.

 

[redfzn]

Hope this video gets you through it.

Had never heard of this term either until Sonny Gray.

Thanks for the video.

 

[Dave is a killer]

Had never heard of this term either until Sonny Gray.

Thanks for the video.

No problem!

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

I'll take the track record over the opinion of one guy.

 

[Voight]

He's a lot closer to elite than a number 3.

Agreed, and I think he will reach elite status within the next year or two.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Had never heard of this term either until Sonny Gray.

Thanks for the video.

That's not a thing. It's like straight from "The Pain Guy".

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

It's been a week and I still have no clue what a late load is. I agree with Clowe Me, I'll take Gray's track record over a 40 second video of one guy's opinion