Trade: [OAK/NYY] Sonny Gray to the Yankees for Mateo, Fowler & Kaprelian

[Terry Yake]

Should have just held onto him. ****ing Beane.

i don't think he would've gotten a better package in the offseason compared to this

 

[Oscar Acosta]

Wasn't big on the Gray idea until seeing what was given now I'm happy ha

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

i don't think he would've gotten a better package in the offseason compared to this

Could have also held onto him until next deadline. He would still have a ton of value.

Just feel like Beane settled more than Cashman did.

 

[Terry Yake]

Could have also held onto him until next deadline. He would still have a ton of value.

Just feel like Beane settled more than Cashman did.

true but i have a feeling gray's injury history played a part in BB wanting to get a deal done now

this is a true boom or bust deal. we'll just have to wait a while to see the results. all 3 prospects have major upside so i'm not completely bummed

 

[NJDevs26]

fowler is better than florial for what it's worth

it was obvious a while ago they weren't going to get frazier or torres. fowler and mateo is a good return but like i said, this trade all comes down to health. if fowler can recover and be the player he's supposed to be, this will be a great trade for the A's

He's not better than Florial, just farther along in his development.

I don't understand how all these GM's continue to let Cashman walk all over them and give up his second-tier and blocked prospects.

true but i have a feeling gray's injury history played a part in BB wanting to get a deal done now

this is a true boom or bust deal. we'll just have to wait a while to see the results. all 3 prospects have major upside so i'm not completely bummed

Which is hilarious considering two out of the three guys he's dealt with are probably hurt into the early part of 2018.

 

[Emperoreddy]

He's not better than Florial, just farther along in his development.

I don't understand how all these GM's continue to let Cashman walk all over them and give up his second-tier and blocked prospects.



Which is hilarious considering two out of the three guys he's dealt with are probably hurt into the early part of 2018.

They keep doing it though. Why I thought it was silly to expect BB to be the one not to get talked down so much by Cash-money.

This is an excellent trade for the Yanks once again.

 

[NJDevs26]

Billy Beane has basically become latter-day Lou Lamoriello, only Lou's problem was draft/FA signings and not getting raked over the coals in trades

 

[Voight]

Love this for Cashman. Did not even give up a top 75 prospect and got a solid young arm under control for a couple more years.

This is also key for my fantasy baseball team

 

[Terry Yake]

i wouldn't say cashman walked all over BB. like i said, all 3 guys have huge upside. health is the only concern. no one was expecting them to trade torres or frazier. the only question was florial but i'm happy with getting fowler instead

fowler is supposed to be ready by ST

 

[Emperoreddy]

But health is a major concern. Fowler's knee was legit destroyed. Kap could bounce back but he has had a history of injuries now.

Mateo is good, but not great ATM and most likely wasn't going to get a chance on the yanks anyway.

 

[Blueblood9]

I love the deal for both teams. Massive Yankee fan here btw

First Yankees get a 2/3 SP combine Gray with Severino (which has proven himself a solid #1) and Tanaka whos showing shades of returning to top end of the rotation thats a solid playoff ready rotation. Add that to the O they have which is top end and an extremly solid bull pen this team is ready for war and is mostlikely the 3rd best team in the AL. If you called them that at the beginning of the season you are lieing.

As for what the A's got:

Matteo Is good real good but inconsistant. Fact of the matter is the Yankees are higher on Florial and both will end up as CF in MLB.

With the devestating injury fowler sustatined i dont know if he reaches his potential which was an everyday CF. Now he probably ends up a corner OF or a number 4 OF.

Kap hurts the most for me. His potential is most likely Gray IF he can stay healthy. But in 2+ yrs in the Yankees system he only pitched 40 Innings. I put him just above adams and sheffield but this latest injury might him pushed him below them in the eyes of the brass.

Its a win-win but the A's def went high risk high reward and if fowler fully recovers theyll come out ahead

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Mateo isn't just destined for CF. He plays SS, CF, and 2B all fairly solidly. Anyone would rather have a SS in that equation.

 

[BSHH]

(...)

I don't understand how all these GM's continue to let Cashman walk all over them and give up his second-tier and blocked prospects.
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What's not to understand? No GM does a trade only to be praised on some random message board, but to acquire talent. The A's obviously liked the Yankees' offer best, which contained three prospects who are universally deemed as very talented (regardless to their actual positions on some rankings, which certainly do not matter much for Oakland, since they have their own scouting and player evaluation staff).

Frankly, I am at a complete loss how anybody could even think that the perception of a prospect being "blocked" within the Yankees organization should deter any other team from trading for this particular player. Normally, expandable prospect should be easier to pry away, so a team like Oakland better target those seemingly "blocked" prospects in order to acquire as much talent as possible.

Gruß,
BSHH

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Cardinals reportedly swooped in at the last minute and offered Piscotty and Weaver/Flaherty but Beane took the Yankees' package instead, according to Rosenthal.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

But health is a major concern. Fowler's knee was legit destroyed. Kap could bounce back but he has had a history of injuries now.

Mateo is good, but not great ATM and most likely wasn't going to get a chance on the yanks anyway.

Yeah, injuries are big here. But isn't a big risk of Gray is that he's somewhat injury prone as well?

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Yeah, this deal has tremendous upside for the A's. They need to figure out their pitching in the upcoming years but they will have some potentially very good position players.

Yankees did well here also. Always thought Gray made a hell of a lot more sense than Darvish. Only question is whether Tanaka opts out after this year. CC is off the books so that helps a lot in the upcoming years.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Kaprielian has dynamite stuff. If he can stay healthy, that's a great get. But, like, how reasonable of an ask is that?

Also, Fowler will be fine if his rehab and stuff goes well. He'll be an average major league starter if it does. Solid ballplayer.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Yeah, injuries are big here. But isn't a big risk of Gray is that he's somewhat injury prone as well?

Mostly just lat strains, which have gone away. No actual arm issues.

 

[Terry Yake]

Cardinals reportedly swooped in at the last minute and offered Piscotty and Weaver/Flaherty but Beane took the Yankees' package instead, according to Rosenthal.

ehhh

i prefer the yankees deal

 

[MurrayBannerman]

This isn't exactly the best time to try and trade Stephen Piscotty.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

ehhh

i prefer the yankees deal

Same and I don't think it's all that close.

 

[Voight]

Yeah, this deal has tremendous upside for the A's. They need to figure out their pitching in the upcoming years but they will have some potentially very good position players.

Yankees did well here also. Always thought Gray made a hell of a lot more sense than Darvish. Only question is whether Tanaka opts out after this year. CC is off the books so that helps a lot in the upcoming years.

Even with a thin pithing free agent market, I can't see Tanaka risk losing all that money he's still owed.

 

[Voight]

 

[Oscar Acosta]

I don't understand how all these GM's continue to let Cashman walk all over them and give up his second-tier and blocked prospects.

Maybe he just has that Garth Snow charisma over Peter Chiarelli. Just with more than one guy.

 

[Dave is a killer]

After listening to Tom Verduci yesterday, I love this trade for the A's.

Late load, 5 foot 10 only a few of the red flags