Proposal: NYR/Mon

[irishlaxburger2]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and predict the Rangers do *not* trade Lafreniere for a 3rd line rental

 

[DingDongCharlie]

That’s a terrible return for Montreal.

 

[crackdown44]

This is terrible for everybody. Congrats

 

[Jack Spider]

NYR/Moncton

 

[Raspewtin]

not that I think Kakko is worth a lot but I certainly don't want a whole bunch of Montreal's trash for him

 

[Junohockeyfan]

not that I think Kakko is worth a lot but I certainly don't want a whole bunch of Montreal's trash for him

Why? Habs are forced to take your nuclear waste in the trade. And all fir a complete bust.

Habs will trade Monahan in a separate deal and not have to take any toxic waste back.

NYR will have to buy out Goodrow. That contract is toxic.

 

[HabsAddict]

Thanks for the in-depth explanation of what this trade accomplishes for both teams.

Very simple explanation...

Rangers get players.

Habs get trash.

This is a troll thread, no explanation required.

 

[Raspewtin]

Why? Habs are forced to take your nuclear waste in the trade. And all fir a complete bust.

Habs will trade Monahan in a separate deal and not have to take any toxic waste back.

NYR will have to buy out Goodrow. That contract is toxic.

good for you, keep your underwhelming plugs and we’ll keep ours

 

[waitin425]

I politely respond....this thread is stupid.

 

[Guyute]

LOL. Kakko has his warts but there’s still potential and that beats whatever Montreal has to offer.

 

[bernmeister]

Kakko's value is such that the Rangers are better off keeping him as a 3rd liner that can play a solid defensive game with the ability (this year aside) to be a 15g 35+pt player.

His salary is not going to balloon so he's going to be a reliable bottom 6 player.

I can see the benefit of moving the salary, but for what he is, he's still a reliable defensive player.

Unless the deal is silly, keep him

This ^ and remember KK has demonstrated sufficient upside w/kid line
More recently, looks good w/Cuylle
sucks Chytil went down, but be patient to add correct pivot and he can be part of another winning line

HUGE waste of assets to surrender KK for dumping cap
correct approach there is
Othmann + for Zegras +
with Goodrow 1.6x reduced to 2.0 going to ANA

Why? Habs are forced to take your nuclear waste in the trade. And all fir a complete bust.

Habs will trade Monahan in a separate deal and not have to take any toxic waste back.

NYR will have to buy out Goodrow. That contract is toxic.

Good has value w/enuf retention

that said this suggested deal was ass

 

[Crazy8oooo]

This ^ and remember KK has demonstrated sufficient upside w/kid line
More recently, looks good w/Cuylle
sucks Chytil went down, but be patient to add correct pivot and he can be part of another winning line

HUGE waste of assets to surrender KK for dumping cap
correct approach there is
Othmann + for Zegras +
with Goodrow 1.6x reduced to 2.0 going to ANA


Good has value w/enuf retention

that said this suggested deal was ass

That’s an easy no from Anaheim. If the best you’re offering for Zegras is Othmann (as the main piece) what incentive does Anaheim have to do that? And then to top it off, they have the privilege of taking on a cap dump, as well? It would be nice if your proposals would consider both teams for a change.

 

[Whalers Fan]

How about Monahan for a 2nd and a prospect (not named Othmann or Perrault)?

And we’ll toss in an extra late pick for 50% retention.

The Habs have a plethora of late round picks, and don't need any more. The salary retention slot is much more important, and the Habs will not waste it on Monahan, who has a low enough salary that no retention should be needed in any deal.

 

[Moose Head]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and predict the Rangers do *not* trade Lafreniere for a 3rd line rental

Sure, but nobody suggested that.

 

[bernmeister]

That’s an easy no from Anaheim. If the best you’re offering for Zegras is Othmann (as the main piece) what incentive does Anaheim have to do that? And then to top it off, they have the privilege of taking on a cap dump, as well? It would be nice if your proposals would consider both teams for a change.

Your apparently uninformed post may be excused for that reason, but let's pls not make a habit of it.

1. ANA wants quality Ws

2. ANA has enuf pivots
Carlson, McTavish, Henrique, Strome still there if Martians kidnapped Z tom.

3. Goodrow at 3.6x is overpaid by upwards of 1m-ish. 1.6x retained down to 2.0 is not a cap dump. He is a useful bottom 6 pivot w/champ experience that is desired, and is totally movable at 2.0 any time during balance of his contract when they are ready.

4. Good is useful if Henrique sold high.

5. Rs can throw in a prospect C to help compete in year or 2 when they push to move Strome, and if no room at pivot, can add to the mix at W.

6. If another short term pivot needed b'c Henrique + maybe even Strome are sold high, Rs can include Pitlick

7. Zegras is out with a broken ankle. He is useless to anyone for coupla months.

8. Goodrow playing thru fractured jaw and likely a mostly liquid diet. As he heals he will get stronger and his game will improve.

CONCLUSION:
All of the above is factually true.
You should hold Z in sufficiently high regard, but that is not a basis to undervalue Othmann, which you do, substantially.

 

[ole ole]

LOL. Kakko has his warts but there’s still potential and that beats whatever Montreal has to offer.

Kakko is pure garbage period that no team wants. Ya you keep him.

not that I think Kakko is worth a lot but I certainly don't want a whole bunch of Montreal's trash for him

Ya just what teams are looking for a 6 pt forward.

 

[bleuetbio]

The OP trade will never happen and I realy doubt that Kakko gets some love anyway. As a big fan of Monahan, something around him and Gabriel Perreault must be in talk. I believe that theres a potential super combo between Zibanejad and Lindholm that should be try before.

 

[bernmeister]

The OP trade will never happen and I realy doubt that Kakko gets some love anyway. As a big fan of Monahan, something around him and Gabriel Perreault must be in talk. I believe that theres a potential super combo between Zibanejad and Lindholm that should be try before.

NO on KK
GP will cost

 

[Mrfenn92]

The OP trade will never happen and I realy doubt that Kakko gets some love anyway. As a big fan of Monahan, something around him and Gabriel Perreault must be in talk. I believe that theres a potential super combo between Zibanejad and Lindholm that should be try before.

Rangers aren’t trading Perrault for Monahan

 

[26Mats]

More of a cap dump in Goodrow that Montreal does to get Kakko

Monahan
Evans
Armia
Kovacevic
For
Kakko
Jones
Goodrow
Pitlick

Cutting through all the add ons, the heart of this deal is Monahan for Kakko.

As a Habs fan, would I trade Monahna for Kakko? I don't know enough about Kakko. If management thinks he's the next Lafreniere/Byfield, a player who can turn things around after a slow start to his NHL career, it's an easy yes. If not, it's an easy no. Managament would have to do their analysis. But on paper Kakko isn't looking good.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Your apparently uninformed post may be excused for that reason, but let's pls not make a habit of it.

1. ANA wants quality Ws

2. ANA has enuf pivots
Carlson, McTavish, Henrique, Strome still there if Martians kidnapped Z tom.

3. Goodrow at 3.6x is overpaid by upwards of 1m-ish. 1.6x retained down to 2.0 is not a cap dump. He is a useful bottom 6 pivot w/champ experience that is desired, and is totally movable at 2.0 any time during balance of his contract when they are ready.

4. Good is useful if Henrique sold high.

5. Rs can throw in a prospect C to help compete in year or 2 when they push to move Strome, and if no room at pivot, can add to the mix at W.

6. If another short term pivot needed b'c Henrique + maybe even Strome are sold high, Rs can include Pitlick

7. Zegras is out with a broken ankle. He is useless to anyone for coupla months.

8. Goodrow playing thru fractured jaw and likely a mostly liquid diet. As he heals he will get stronger and his game will improve.

CONCLUSION:
All of the above is factually true.
You should hold Z in sufficiently high regard, but that is not a basis to undervalue Othmann, which you do, substantially.

Your pathetic attempt to rationalize a lopsided trade doesn’t work. Every single proposal of yours heavily favors the Rangers while never making any sense for the opposing team. Othmann is a big downgrade on Zegras and you’ve offered nothing to him to make that downgrade worth it. Goodrow, no matter how you spin it, is in fact a cap dump for the Rangers. You don’t get to dump him as a positive asset to a rebuilding team.

It’s also funny and hypocritical that whenever someone wants a young Rangers player, you always insist that they have top value even when struggling, yet somehow when it’s a young player from another team, you point out every reason why they no longer have top value.

Keep Othmann and your cap dump and the Ducks willl be happy keeping their useless, injured player.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

The OP trade will never happen and I realy doubt that Kakko gets some love anyway. As a big fan of Monahan, something around him and Gabriel Perreault must be in talk. I believe that theres a potential super combo between Zibanejad and Lindholm that should be try before.

In your dreams. Monahan will not fetch an A prospect or mid/early 1st.

 

[bleuetbio]

In your dreams. Monahan will not fetch an A prospect or mid/early 1st.

and Perreault is a last year 23rd... but I give you that I would have pick him before 20 for sure abd you shouldnt deal him.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

and Perreault is a last year 23rd... but I give you that I would have pick him before 20 for sure abd you shouldnt deal him.

He's also the steal of the draft that has only increased in value. He goes top 10 in a redraft.

 

[smoneil]

Never ask a mother on how pretty her kids are...nor how much fans want for their players.

From the Habs perspective, NOTHING. About the same value as Evans and we know how little he will fetch on the market.

Not saying other teams should be falling all over themselves to trade for Kakko, but EVANS? Really? Evans is almost 5 years older and his career high is 29 points. Kakko scored 40 points last season as a 21/22 year old. That, combined with the fact that our RW depth is shit and we wouldn't get a ton in return for him (I still think someone would pay a late 1st or a 2nd rounder), and it doesn't make sense to trade Kakko to begin with. Better to hold on to him and see if he breaks out of the funk he's been in this season. Either way, he would--at a minimum--return a 2nd round pick, while Evans could conceivably go through waivers and not get claimed. A world of difference between these two.