This will be the Rangers first year back in the playoffs. We have a very young team and hopefully a long window of contending. We aren't going to go all in now. Add 1 or 2 depth pieces and address the 2C spot in the offseason.
bold: concur underline: plausbile
This is called an appeal to authority. The hockey insiders aren't always right. If he does get a 1st, it won't be from the Rangers. I can tell you that. Any LD we add will play on the 3rd pair. Even Drury isn't stupid enough to pay a 1st rounder for that.
yes
In three years, if the Rangers make no additions and have the younger guys start to take over from their current top guys, will they be better than now?
better
The goalie will still be great. Fix will still be great. But will Trouba, Kreider, Panarin, Mika still be at their current level?
Trouba will be gone b'c cap. Kreider will be here, still good, and maybe take a small cut to stay. Mika should be good halfway into his deal at min, but half fast his game goes if his wheels are gone is a real concern, but no reason to think that is happening sooner than later. Breadman approx where he is now for next 2 years, last coupla seasons small/steady drop, but that is just a guess. He's gone after this yr, b'c we can't renew him anywhere near the 10+ we gave him, and we will be lucky to have 6m to offer, which he will decline. But we are fine with all that. Youth replaces vets and we are ok.
Maybe the Rangers best window to win a Cup is these next two years?
no, it is not, that is short sided and attempts to direct this as the narrative will be challenged
Trouba and Kreider both have their NMCs end in 2 years, after which they are tradeable. Schneider is the long term replacement for Trouba. Hopefully one of Othmann or Cuylle can replace Kreider's goal scoring. Or maybe Laf can learn to play Kreider's role on the PP. He had a nice deflection goal recently and another goal off a rebound just outside the blue paint.
Our only real issue long term is 2C, and we have limited cap space next year to fill that position. We can clear some space if we trade Chytil and/or Nemeth. Nemeth should be gone regardless.
Short term, we need a RW and maybe a LD. Adding someone like Rakell makes sense. He can score goals, play RW and is on an expiring contract. If we are adding anyone with term, they need to be a center. Preferably, a good 2 way center. We are more likely to address that need in the summer, I think.
Again, we aren't going all in. We should not be treating this as a 1 or 2 year window to win. We are one of the youngest teams in the league and have a bunch of young players who have yet to peak. Older players will be moved eventually, whether they maintain their current play or not. That's just the way it is with the salary cap. Teams need a steady influx of young talent to remain contenders while staying under the cap. Which is exactly why Schneider will not be traded.
Agree w/all of this, except we shouldn't be quick to move Chytil, esp as he is our immediate 2C when Strome goes, whether he is a stopgap or they get some Ws for him and he fully arrives.
Too much for a pending UFA who has 54 points in his last 98 games. You aren't getting 3 pieces for him. It will be a 1st or a 2nd and a B prospect (someone worse than Berard).
concur
The Rangers should not be trading a 1st round pick for a rental.
concur
Chiarot will take a 1st, and Miller will take Schneider. Theres no deal to be made otherwise.
We do not want Chariot unless only small add + you are taking Nemeth. I get you prob have better offers, so good luck there, but that is only move re Chariot that makes sense for NYR. Have to pay to move Nemeth and if Chariot is cheap then ok for depth even as an expiring rental. Otherwise no.
WE CAN'T AFFORD MILLER. He is 2 yrs. this season not even a remote prob.
Next season, it's unbelievably tight. Setting aside anything else, paying top top $ for 2 years of JT when we can only keep him for 1 and would have to move him after, and take a loss b'c the whole league will see it and can do the math, is not smart.
Schneider is off the table. Pls stop asking.
Sheesh Rangers fans want to give up
nothing for value whatsoever. You have to give to get folks, you aren’t getting top 15 forwards or top 4 defencemen for 3rd round picks and busting prospects lol.
In the totality of circumstances, we do not want to get.
If those are the available pieces then dont target players like Miller. Maybe target lesser players like Boeser. I would trade Boser for Lundkvist and a 1st.
We are NOT targeting Miller. clickbait. We can't afford him next year. If Drury makes idiot move and gets him anyway, there will be very painful cap consequences, likely including forced trade(s) of LaF/Kakko, and being forced, returns would be lowered.
So no, bern is right, and what beat writers are reporting may yet happen, but it is wrong if it does. I would ultimately be proven correct.
We don't want Chiarot at all, and we don't want Miller at the proposed price. If we don't get either as a result, we are perfectly fine with it. Yes, you have to give to get, but there's also such as thing as considering the price too high and not being willing to pay it. That's where we are at in regards to Miller. We aren't going to pay what you want. Get over it.
Verbatim. yes.
I haven’t heard too many Ranger fans pining for Miller. It’s more Canuck fans telling us we need him and that he’s an elite top line forward. They then demand Schneider. Ranger fans decline. Canuck fans then go off the rails saying Ranger fans don’t want to move anything of value when we didn’t start the conversation to begin with.
accurate.
If i'm giving up a 1st or Lundkvist-level prospect for a player (let alone both or more), it's someone like Yanni Gourde who'd be under contract at an affordable rate for multiple seasons. Not a 6-7 D like Chiarot. Not a JT Miller the team can't afford to re-sign. Not a Rickard Rakell who doesn't have a place in the Rangers top 6 when the team is healthy, assuming he is even at that level anymore. Not an Arturi Lehkonen who's not even at 1/2 PPG & will want a raise in a role the Rangers don't need.
Agree w/most of this.
Okay so if Chiarot is better and Savard went for a 1st+ its likely to assume chairot gets similar value. Now that could be Kravstov and a pick it could be an actual 1st. It could be from a different team but you never know.
Stop, no bluest blue chips. NO.
Maybe Jones now for the right deal to free up mins for Nils L.
True, but they aren't that old, either. Kreider and Panarin are 30, Zib and Strome are 28. Kreider is having a career year and I don't see Panarin or Zib falling off a cliff any time soon. Strome will likely be gone.
And some of our best players are younger. Fox and Shesty have many more good years ahead of them.
If our young guys step up, we can eventually trade players like Kreider and Trouba, recoup some assets, and keep the train running for years to come. That's how good teams stay good.
Yes, tho I'd hope to extend Kreider for a bit less.
I know you weren’t addressing me, but I’ll answer. Depending on the market, I could see Chiarot getting 1st. However, I don’t want the Rangers to pay it for two reasons. 1. I don’t think the Rangers are a Chiarot away from a Cup. 2. The Rangers have much bigger holes to fill than a 3rd pairing LD. They currently have Dylan Hunt in the top 6. Strome is a one dimensional center. Chytil is not a center.
Agree w/all this except Chytil assessment.
would you move Kakko for Miller?
Hell no.
I just can't stand seeing Dryden Hunt on the second line with Panarin. It's so beyond gross.
In the playoffs, Goodrow is gonna play other W w/Panarin and make sure he doesn't get mauled.
The Rangers?
or Ranger fans on internet message boards?
Because there has been like 10 multiple reports that the Rangers want Miller badly
'The reports are IRRELEVANT. Math does not lie. We cannot acquire Miller, even at half, w/o signif cap consequences next season.
The closest is we deal Lindgren in part of a trade and get JT at half. But then we have used Lindy's cap, and when we need scratch for Kakko + LaF deals + we do not have it. So no.
excellent news, confirming JT won't be rejoining NYR
Laf and Schneider shouldn't go anywhere, they are the emerging core
Miller, too,
NYR should only consider moving Miller for a very unique return of comparable talent, upside, age and control, at a position of true need.
And Kings are not moving Byfield.
THAT is not a proposal. Just an informed perspective on NYR situation.
NYR can fill their needs, for this promising, but not top-Cup-contender, season, by spending less for less.
Thanks guys
All of this esp da bold
Rangers have a lot of really good young pieces that should all be kept. Small adds at the deadline to reward the team for a strong year should be the most they do. Their window is just opening up, they have time on their side.
He is puck moving but his calling card is steady in his own zone. People often misjudge where Nils' strengths are. He is getting acclimated to the smaller rink and playing very well in the A; he played pretty well for the Rangers before the team decided to take a look at Schneider and Jones.
