Value of: Nylander - Offer sheet

[bertty]

How much money can be reasonable to offer Nylander as RFA? I am pointing at Arizona. They have plenty of prospects and it won´t hurt to lose picks. Nylander can become their best player and first class star.

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[57special]

Nylander will be better than OEL?

 

[Willy Stylez]

Nylander will be better than OEL?

Can

 

[justafan22]

Anything under 8.1 million the leafs are matching

 

[SI90]

Did anyone ask Nylander if he’s cool with it? After all he has to agree to it.

 

[DomBarr]

Nylander wouldn't even be their best forward that goes to Keller.

As to an offer sheet the only value that makes sense is $7.8 M over 5 years. Enough of an over-payment to make TO think about it while keeping the compensation to a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd...

 

[DanM]

This thread still happening? LOL

Here is the answer, it's never going to happen to any of our players, plus they would never agree to it, and Dubas and Co. will make sure of that.

But nice try

 

[Liferleafer]

Nylander wouldn't even be their best forward that goes to Keller.

As to an offer sheet the only value that makes sense is $7.8 M over 5 years. Enough of an over-payment to make TO think about it while keeping the compensation to a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd...

They would match.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Has to be into the 2 first round pick compensation range for offer sheets.

Leafs match anything less than 8.1 mil over 5 years.

 

[DanM]

Can

I agree with this. I love my players, but unless they are for sure better, potential should always be "CAN"

Good catch

 

[rent free]

6.5 million. They could try 7 or 7.5 million and wait for the leafs to accept/decline. Of course nylander has to sign the offer sheet.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

If they want a shot at actually getting him, I’d say 7.6 million. I believe that is next years 1st, 2nd, and 3rd pic, which is fair value as long as they don’t get a top 2 pick. As for what is reasonable, I’m not exactly sure. I’ve heard leafs fans say they can get him for 6 million and some say 6.5 million. My guess is that Toronto wants to go long term with Matthews and Marner, and more along the lines of a 4 year deal with nylander for more flexibility. So if you offer sheet him 8 years at 7.5, that might be tough for Toronto to match.

Disclaimer: I don’t know what Toronto’s cap situation looks like, I am just going off the assumption that at some point in the future: Matthews gets 12.5, Marner gets 8-9(really depends how good he looks with Tavares), Rielly gets 7-8.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Yes, give us your two likely top 5 picks one that may be Jack Hughes...do it....do it.

 

[DanM]

If they want a shot at actually getting him, I’d say 7.6 million. I believe that is next years 1st, 2nd, and 3rd pic, which is fair value as long as they don’t get a top 2 pick. As for what is reasonable, I’m not exactly sure. I’ve heard leafs fans say they can get him for 6 million and some say 6.5 million. My guess is that Toronto wants to go long term with Matthews and Marner, and more along the lines of a 4 year deal with nylander for more flexibility. So if you offer sheet him 8 years at 7.5, that might be tough for Toronto to match.

Disclaimer: I don’t know what Toronto’s cap situation looks like, I am just going off the assumption that at some point in the future: Matthews gets 12.5, Marner gets 8-9(really depends how good he looks with Tavares), Rielly gets 7-8.

Or they could value winning over money, and since nobody knows them personally on here, it's as good a chance as Matthews getting 12.5

But they all could be greedy as well lol

 

[Quares27]

Why do people think bottom 5-10 teams want to throw away multiple first round picks in an offer sheet? why do people think teams are going to offer sheet in general when it never happens? why do people think teams randomly have a massive urge to spite the Leafs for no reason whatsoever? three questions I wonder every day when I read the silly people on this board.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

If they want a shot at actually getting him, I’d say 7.6 million. I believe that is next years 1st, 2nd, and 3rd pic, which is fair value as long as they don’t get a top 2 pick. As for what is reasonable, I’m not exactly sure. I’ve heard leafs fans say they can get him for 6 million and some say 6.5 million. My guess is that Toronto wants to go long term with Matthews and Marner, and more along the lines of a 4 year deal with nylander for more flexibility. So if you offer sheet him 8 years at 7.5, that might be tough for Toronto to match.

Disclaimer: I don’t know what Toronto’s cap situation looks like, I am just going off the assumption that at some point in the future: Matthews gets 12.5, Marner gets 8-9(really depends how good he looks with Tavares), Rielly gets 7-8.

Pump the brakes....Rielly still has 4 years left on his deal, by that time Marleau and Gardiner are out. The Leafs will be perfectly fine as long as they draft and develop properly.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Or they could value winning over money, and since nobody knows them personally on here, it's as good a chance as Matthews getting 12.5

But they all could be greedy as well lol

I just remember hearing NHL reporters talking about how McDavid’s contract is the comparable for Matthews when McDavid signed. Obviously Matthews isn’t McDavid, but with the cap increase, he could get 12 barring a bad season.

Then again, if I was Matthews I would take 5 million a year to play with that team and win cups.

 

[DanM]

Why do people think bottom 5-10 teams want to throw away multiple first round picks in an offer sheet? why do people think teams are going to offer sheet in general when it never happens? why do people think teams randomly have a massive urge to spite the Leafs for no reason whatsoever? three questions I wonder every day when I read the silly people on this board.

Agreed, it's not happening, and is silly

Odds of that actually happening are like .0000000000000000000000001%

 

[Eltuna]

The way to do it would be to structure it as a two year OS with the first year as 6 million dollars and the second year as 9.75 million. That way if they match they are stuck with a poison pill qualifying offer in two years (when they will really need the cap space) and you would only lose a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd if they choose not to match it. It would suck having to qualify him yourself in two years but getting him for such a discounted price would make it worth it I think.

I don’t see him signing it though, Toronto is a great place to be right now. Only way I could see it is if he wants to be a Center, because if he signs for the next 8 years in Toronto he’s basically accepting that he’s a career winger.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Pump the brakes....Rielly still gas 4 years left on his deal, by that time Marleau and Gardiner are out. The Leafs will be perfectly fine as long as they draft and develop properly.

So you believe Toronto would match if they offered 7.6 x 8?

 

[DomBarr]

They would match.

never said they wouldn't but it would take Dubas a couple of days to rejig his long range plan that allows the leafs to keep Nylander Matthews and Marner.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

So you believe Toronto would match if they offered 7.6 x 8?

Sure, as long-term Nylander may in fact be worth that. Remember he put up 60 points this season with Matthews missing significant time this season. He'll likely top out at a 70-75 point player which is solid.

 

[DanM]

I just remember hearing NHL reporters talking about how McDavids contract is the comparable for Matthews when McDavid signed. Obviously Matthews isn’t McDavid, but with the cap increase, he could get 12 barring a bad season.

Then again, if I was Matthews I would take 5 million a year to play with that team and win cups.

For sure, I wouldn't count out a huge payday.

I honestly think they all want to win, and are seeing the Leafs all in with drafting and signings. I could see a situation where you have

Matthews at 9.5-10
Marner at 7
Nylander at 6-6.5

These kids want cups in my opinion, but I don't know them, so that's just speculation. I do know Dubas and Co. have been in contact with all of them, they helped sign JT, and JT was assured they would not only keep them, but add on the backend.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Sure, as long-term Nylander may in fact be worth that. Remember he put up 60 points this season with Matthews missing significant time this season. He'll likely top out at a 70-75 point player which is solid.

He could top out higher I believe, I just can’t imagjne how a team can afford those 4. Dubas is a smart guy though I’m sure he has a plan. Could someone lay out the salaries for me?

 

[Meeqs]

Offersheets are never going to happen. There is no situation where it is worth it for the team to do so. They pretty much don't exist.