Looking at the Nylander situation I think the Leafs are in much better position with his contract than some people think. For all the dazzling feats of skill we've seen out of him you still need to remember that he's a 20 goal winger playing with one of the best centers in the NHL, who's been in the coach's doghouse on occasion. I see Nylander as a 5 million dollar winger coming out of elc and not a penny more. If he sees himself as an 8x8 guy then he can pretty much rot on the sidelines while Kapanen or Johnsson score 20 goals on Matthew's wing.
Expect the announcement on the re-signing of Matthews, Marner and Nylander soon
Would be stunned if they sign him long term. Bridge him then extend when Marleau is off the books. Matthews and Marner are the two you lock up as soon as you can.
27 PP points was also what Willy had in his rookie season. Just adding to your point here.Why Matthews and Marner only? The difference between Marner and Nylander last year was 15 PP points! Marner's unit was ridiculous as had 27 PP points in total (To be fair, even though JVR/Kadri are great PP guys, Marner was the one running it) vs Nylander/Matthews 12 points.
If were Nylander i would go to another team if i could. He is best as a center .
Yeah that's an absurd argument.So you would basically put yourself above your team and teammates? I would happily let you go.
Babcock has always loved centers playing wing. Marner & Marleau can play as wellEnglish is not my first language so please explain. Do you belive he has more to offer as winger then a center? To this team right now yes.. but as player no. In my opinion.
And i dont know if Nylander himself demands be a center.
Marner was pretty darn good in his rookie year too, which you always conveniently fail to mention, just his little 50 game hot steak and playoffs last year. Both guys hit a rough spot last year. I’ll tell you sure as shit if Marner was riding shotgun with Matthews, this PP specialist bs would evaporate. You argue that we need to see more to conclude Marner is the real deal, yet you just blow sunshine up Willie’s ass, which is funny because amongst the pro analysis I’ve read and heard, the scout stuff, people feel Marner may be the surer bet, hence the salary discrepancy assumptions.27 PP points was also what Willy had in his rookie season. Just adding to your point here.
Marner gets a ton of credit for his surge in the second half of the season. Most of that surge took place at the PP. Marner's season at the PP was absolutely great, but not quite as good as Nylander in his rookie season. Willy was actually the best primary point producer per 60 in the league, among regulars. His share of primary points for the unit was bigger than Marner, since he and Matthews was that PP while Marner ran a PP unit that was good all around.
As always, not trying to diminish Marner in the slightest, just pointing out that Willy still compares very well. He's a terrific, terrific talent, and we should celebrate that rather than try to tear him down because he had a rough 4 games against the best shutdown unit in the league, and got intimidated by the most intimidating player in hockey.
What? I've mentioned that plenty of times. My core argument has always been that if you include both years, and you should, pretty much every difference between them starts to even out. I'm not trying to ignore anything, instead I've always tried to show the whole thing. And highlighting things that tend to get forgotten.Marner was pretty darn good in his rookie year too, which you always conveniently fail to mention
I haven't said he's a PP specialist. I don't think he's a PP specialist. Stop making stuff up.I’ll tell you sure as **** if Marner was riding shotgun with Matthews, this PP specialist bs would evaporate.
No, I have never said this either. I've never even been close to saying something like that. Again making stuff up. What I have said is that I prefer Marner, I think he's got an edge because he's younger and has peaked higher. I've also said that I don't think Willy is far behind.You argue that we need to see more to conclude Marner is the real deal
If you mean showing statistics to dispel some misconceptions, sure.yet you just blow sunshine up Willie’s ass
You talk with a lot of scouts, huh?which is funny because amongst the pro analysis I’ve read and heard, the scout stuff, people feel Marner may be the surer bet, hence the salary discrepancy assumptions.
Completely agree.Nylander had an amazing second half in 2017, and was a stud against Washington, amazing at the Worlds, look poised to make the next step major this year (I sure thought so). It didn’t happen, he was lost at times, seemed to lose confidence in his world class shot, and played the margins for long periods. That said, he played great at times as well, and I still see all star material, a high high ceiling if he puts it all together.
There is no 'but' crowd around Marner's accomplishments. There have been about Willy's, and that's what is being addressed. The two of them have overall been extremely close statistically, Marner gets all the credit that he deserves but some keep finding reasons to ignore what Willy has done.The “but” crowd around Marner’s accomplishments, that’s fine, I’ll just stick with my line when he started slow this year, “keep talking, he will make a fool out of his detractors” . See you next year!
He could very well play C this year in Kadri's spot. I can see Kadri and JT playing on the same line. They had a special kind of chemistry back in Jr. A line of Kadri-JT-Marner would be both offensive and Defensive Juggernauts!
Good rebuttal.What? I've mentioned that plenty of times. My core argument has always been that if you include both years, and you should, pretty much every difference between them starts to even out. I'm not trying to ignore anything, instead I've always tried to show the whole thing. And highlighting things that tend to get forgotten.
I haven't said he's a PP specialist. I don't think he's a PP specialist. Stop making stuff up.
I did say that his surge in the second half of the season was mostly on the PP, and that's simply how it is. He was good at ES too, but he tore the league apart on the PP in the second half. So since that's where he showed such a supreme impact, I wanted to highlight how Nylander has done that too since people keep considering him a much inferior prospect.
No, I have never said this either. I've never even been close to saying something like that. Again making stuff up. What I have said is that I prefer Marner, I think he's got an edge because he's younger and has peaked higher. I've also said that I don't think Willy is far behind.
If you mean showing statistics to dispel some misconceptions, sure.
All I've argued for has been based on hard facts, not taking any shortcuts or ignoring any parts of the sample size.
You talk with a lot of scouts, huh?
I don't care for appeals to authority. Bring a solid argument and I'll listen, but I'm not going to drop every single piece of evidence in favor of what I'm arguing because you refer to some anonymous scouts.
Completely agree.
There is no 'but' crowd around Marner's accomplishments. There have been about Willy's, and that's what is being addressed. The two of them have overall been extremely close statistically, Marner gets all the credit that he deserves but some keep finding reasons to ignore what Willy has done.
A Nylander bridge would be worst than a Subban bridge ... Lock this man up for 7-8 years.
Right now the Leafs have all the control and will likely Bridge him so that they can see if he ups his compete level a lot. This gives the Leafs time to assess his value to the team moving forward. I think this is good asset management on the Leafs part as points are one thing but competing hard for all pucks when the chips are on the line is a whole different ball of wax. I am very hopeful that Willy will follow the Leaf of Kadri and JT as well as Marleau who understand that to win in the playoffs takes a lot more then skill.But maybe Nylander doesn't want a long term contract. Trouba just wants a bridge so he can be a UFA sooner. Nylander just might be going that route too.
In so many posts, folks seem to think the team has the absolute control over the length of term. The player has control also.
Just so enoying seing one of the most promesing swedish centers not being developed as one. That suck . As a C i belive he would truly be the best he could as a player. So no he wont throw his current place away. He rather be a wingman on this team that he know is realy good, then the pilot on on another. Its easy and safe. He might get som pilot dutys here and there and maby thats fine for him.Yeah that's an absurd argument.
Very few players are going to make that big of a deal out of position, especially when they are still playing in a position they are very comfortable with. Willy is going to get paid here, he is going to have a chance to get success here, and he's going to play with great players here. He's not going to throw all that away because he'd also rather be a center.
Yeah, hockey doesn't work like what you describe. A winger can drive his line perfectly well.Just so enoying seing one of the most promesing swedish centers not being developed as one. That suck . As a C i belive he would truly be the best he could as a player. So no he wont throw his current place away. He rather be a wingman on this team that he know is realy good, then the pilot on on another. Its easy and safe. He might get som pilot dutys here and there and maby thats fine for him.
If this is equally true with Marner that suck too . If Marner would be much better as a player at C then its a waste of talent for him being a winger. Thats true for every player.
Use the players were they can give you there fullest potential or trade with someone who can. Thats the best for the team and for the players .
True.But maybe Nylander doesn't want a long term contract. Trouba just wants a bridge so he can be a UFA sooner. Nylander just might be going that route too.
In so many posts, folks seem to think the team has the absolute control over the length of term. The player has control also.
But maybe Nylander doesn't want a long term contract. Trouba just wants a bridge so he can be a UFA sooner. Nylander just might be going that route too.
In so many posts, folks seem to think the team has the absolute control over the length of term. The player has control also.
Man this whole PP vs ES is a joke
their both points/goals that give us the lead, if their play puts our team in front the hell cares how it's done
True.
BUT if Nylander wants shirt term, you really put the screws to him to show why he should sign long term.
I.e. offer 4 million per for 3 years or 7x7.