Nylander Chronicles Part XXVI: Who caves first? Nylander, Dubas, or Bert?

[DarkKnight]

If a team like outpost Carolina, that never spend anywhere near the cap, wants to overpay for Willie great. Just remember, teams with 20 mil left under the cap generally aren't serious teams to succeed. Once again cash or cup?

 

[TDK67]

Nylander at a reasonable contract is worth more than Pesce at a reasonable contract. I agree.

But what about a Nylander at an uncompromising 8x8 contract? That inflated contract would destroy his trade value, and may make a player like Pesce the best Dubas can do.

So I was just asking. If Nylander is uncompromising at 8x8, and the best we can get is Pesce, would you do it? Or would you give Nylander 8x8? Or would you let him sit the season.

I see, thanks for clarifying.

Yes, I do think Nylander is still far more valuable at 8x8 than Pesce at his contract because Nylander is (and will become even moreso) a far better player.

It's obviously not an ideal cap hit for the next 1.5 years (until Marleau comes off) but Nylander would likely outperform that cost for most of those 8 years.

Furthermore there's tremendous value in needing only one roster spot (i.e. Nylander) to provide elite production vs having to combine 2-3 roster spots (i.e. Pesce + a forward) to generate equivalent numbers. As such, a hypothetical $8M of our cap space going towards one elite player is still much more valuable than trying to pay $8M to multiple spare parts in the hopes they can combine to have the same effect as the single elite player.

 

[LeafsHome]

what word …..lol holding out is cool ?

It's been reported in numerous circles, including Chris Johnston.

holding out = strictly business, nothing to do with being uncool

 

[DarkKnight]

It's been reported in numerous circles, including Chris Johnston.

holding out = strictly business, nothing to do with being uncool

If Dubas isnt quietly testing the trade waters by now, I view him as incompetent. Dubas isn't incompetent.

 

[Kiwi]

Carolina has zero motivation to trade Aho. They’re trying to add offensive pieces, not get rid of them.

And if The Leafs aren’t keen on paying Nylander above the low 6s, I can’t see
Them being interested in signing Aho who looks poised for a huge year

I struggle to see what's in it for Carolina, it's like us and the D

We need to add to what we've already got, not trade like for like

 

[Stephen]

Carolina has zero motivation to trade Aho. They’re trying to add offensive pieces, not get rid of them.

And if The Leafs aren’t keen on paying Nylander above the low 6s, I can’t see
Them being interested in signing Aho who looks poised for a huge year

Doesn't really matter what Carolina wants to do. The Leafs are under no pressure or obligation to move Nylander to them unless it's for a home run deal. Sorry, f*** off Hurricanes. Plus it's debatable whether they can afford to overpay Nylander and then also pay Aho accordingly. They'd have the Marner/Nylander dilemma essentially and without the cash flow to make it happen.

 

[AppsSyl]

what word …..lol holding out is cool ?

This is what he was referring to. It is in Chris Johnston's Beyond Headlines
Beyond Headlines: NHL labour peace? Dare to dream - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Not My Tempo]

At least Carolina makes some sense. This crap about LA offering Muzzin and Pearson is the worst. They have a combined 7.75M cap hit. At that point I’d rather just re-sign Nylander to his asking 8

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

I don't see now Willy can win a salary argument right now. Leafs have comparables on their side, Leafs have almost five full years on NHL control over him. Until any team wants to pay overpay for Nylander, he isn't getting an offer sheet and no team is going to trade for him for fair playing value, if they have to pay Nylander a too high a salary.
So, I don't see the Leafs "caving", it's more just good cap management. I respect Willy's decision of not signing a contract he doesn't want, but geez, I can't understand his strategy. The Leafs just might let the December 1 pass...with Nylander unsigned if gets that far.

 

[LeafsHome]

If Dubas isnt quietly testing the trade waters by now, I view him as incompetent. Dubas isn't incompetent.

That's probably true, and Dubas is also quite aware that anything he says to inquiring teams will get back to Nylanders agent. So, if Dubas is smart he will let other teams make their pitch and at the same time let them know that he's not interested in a trade.

 

[ToneDog]

leafs would 100% match

If it is 4 1st round picks, I doubt it. A 1st, 2nd and 3rd agreed.

 

[Notsince67]

Why would they even offer Aho? He looks to be of a comparable skill set to Nylander (if not better), and may not ask for above market value like Nylander is doing.

The may want to address a right side weakness

 

[Menzinger]

Doesn't really matter what Carolina wants to do. The Leafs are under no pressure or obligation to move Nylander to them unless it's for a home run deal. Sorry, **** off Hurricanes. Plus it's debatable whether they can afford to overpay Nylander and then also pay Aho accordingly. They'd have the Marner/Nylander dilemma essentially and without the cash flow to make it happen.

I don’t disagree.

I was just getting at the point that an aho for Nylander trade seems an unrealistic possibility for either side

 

[Mr Hockey]

I put Aho as untouchable on Carolina.

 

[DarkKnight]

I put Aho as untouchable on Carolina.

Can we stop mentioning his name, Carolina is long on D, short on skilled forwards, why in the world would they make a lateral move?

 

[Mr Hockey]

Can we stop mentioning his name, Carolina is long on D, short on skilled forwards, why in the world would they make a lateral move?

i know, i read someone above say, Aho 4 Willie

 

[LeafsHome]

Can we stop mentioning his name, Carolina is long on D, short on skilled forwards, why in the world would they make a lateral move?

because that's what Dubas probably wants - take it or leave it Carolina

 

[jrgtml67]

because that's what Dubas probably wants - take it or leave it Carolina

Also read David pagnotta reported today LA has offered Tanner Pearson and Jake Muzzin. Their dollar figures BUT dollar figures dont make sense 4.05m and 3.75. That's almost 8 lol

 

[jrgtml67]

Also pecse trade makes no sense unless we are giving up a cap dump because pesce 1v1 isnt worth it. He make a bit over 4million but no way it's just pesce..maybe Teuorveinen? But hes due for a big raise that if you add it with Brett probably almost 8million.

I dunno I really think we will trade others first BUT of course Nylander has to sign first

 

[Kiwi]

because that's what Dubas probably wants - take it or leave it Carolina

Unfortunately Dubas has to work in a world where reality exists, and reality says Carolina isn't moving Aho

I'd also shake my head if we trade Nylander and don't actually get the defensive upgrade we need

 

[Jozay]

Unfortunately Dubas has to work in a world where reality exists, and reality says Carolina isn't moving Aho

I'd also shake my head if we trade Nylander and don't actually get the defensive upgrade we need

You take BPA.

Dubas should be looking for the best player with a long term future here, not best dman.

 

[Critical13]

Aho definitely isn’t available. He’s their Marner but plays C.

 

[Kiwi]

You take BPA.

Dubas should be looking for the best player with a long term future here, not best dman.

So we move our best trade chip and still have Hainsey and Zaitsev in the top 4? This isn't the draft, if Nylander's moving the return either needs to fill a need or we shouldn't trade him

 

[Gabriel426]

You know all these Willie thing would end if Auston comes out with a 10mil contract and Marner extends at 7mil.
It will leave Willie no choice but to sign at 6.5 or 7 at most.

 

[Jozay]

So we move our best trade chip and still have Hainsey and Zaitsev in the top 4? This isn't the draft, if Nylander's moving the return either needs to fill a need or we shouldn't trade him

The draft isnt the only place where you take BPA.

If someone offers a great forward thats going to be here long term and no one offers a dman that brings similar or more value as the forward, you take the forward.