North Bay Battalion 2020 Offseason Thread

[SpezzaNoLookDropPass]

Who are we looking at in the import draft

 

[Kingpin794]

It amazes me how little the league protects smaller market teams from this nonsense that happens consistently. At least the USHL looks like a bigger clown show when a top team can add a top talent just through player commitment. No draft necessary.

What nonsense? This is the same lazy whining that happens every year. He hasn't flat out said no. Recruit him. Convince him North Bay is a good option. That's all you can do.

Every year there's more than one kid that teams can build a team around. It's doesn't HAVE to be Fantilli if they don't think they can get him. Someone else is going to be just as valuable for North Bay. There's no conspiracy or anything. Any given OHL priority selection, there's 4 or 5 guys you can build around. No one is stopping small market teams from taking those guys.

 

[Uncle]

It can never just be easy, eh?

 

[belair]

What nonsense? This is the same lazy whining that happens every year. He hasn't flat out said no. Recruit him. Convince him North Bay is a good option. That's all you can do.

Every year there's more than one kid that teams can build a team around. It's doesn't HAVE to be Fantilli if they don't think they can get him. Someone else is going to be just as valuable for North Bay. There's no conspiracy or anything. Any given OHL priority selection, there's 4 or 5 guys you can build around. No one is stopping small market teams from taking those guys.

The nonsense of top prospects having the option of choosing the teams they're willing to report to. Teams in the Toronto market will always have free reign on the prospects who only wish to play in their markets.

How much do you think Sudbury benefitted passing on guys like Tippett, McLeod and Vilardi at the draft four years back? These teams having to settle on players who are willing to report creates a significant competitive advantage for a handful of teams in this league.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think this exists.

 

[MartyHuggins]

That's bloody frustrating. Draft him anyways.

Exactly my thoughts!!!

 

[The Prophet]

RE: Fantilli.
A tender simply means that the Chicago Steel have reached out to Fantilli, and he's agreed to sign with them IF he chooses the USHL. In other words, he can only play for Chicago IF he chooses the USHL. I think he will based on a recent article from The Hockey News indicating Chicago (USHL) is his likely destination for 2020-2021 because he wants to play in Chicago for one year alongside his brother.
However, to be precise, a tender simply means that he's committed to a particular team (in this case, Chicago) but NOT a particular league. In other words, it's possible that an OHL team drafts him on April 4th and he plays in the O in 2020-2021 however unlikely that scenario is.
According to the Hockey News, there's a good chance that Fantilli will play in the OHL beginning 2021-2022. North Bay could draft him first overall, and wait a season. FWIW, Fantilli said that his (likely) decision to play in Chicago 2020-2021 has nothing to do with trying to avoid NB, and that if he came to the O at some point, he'd have no problem with playing in NB.
Interesting development!

Or he plays for Chicago and then to the North Dakota after Christmas , as he has fast tracked his grade 12 .

 

[The Prophet]

The nonsense of top prospects having the option of choosing the teams they're willing to report to. Teams in the Toronto market will always have free reign on the prospects who only wish to play in their markets.

How much do you think Sudbury benefitted passing on guys like Tippett, McLeod and Vilardi at the draft four years back? These teams having to settle on players who are willing to report creates a significant competitive advantage for a handful of teams in this league.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think this exists.

Of course it exists . The players have the leverage not the teams . Lets be very clear why this does exist , the teams that have trouble recruiting …….SUCK ! , Sudbury couldn't get players to report after years of poor ownership , North Bay is the laughing stock of the league , because of Butler , the Soo has no problem recruiting as they have a great program.
Its simple "build it and they will come" . The agents run the show , they don't get paid until their player turns pro , so they place players where that has the greatest chance of that happening.

 

[belair]

Of course it exists . The players have the leverage not the teams . Lets be very clear why this does exist , the teams that have trouble recruiting …….SUCK ! , Sudbury couldn't get players to report after years of poor ownership , North Bay is the laughing stock of the league , because of Butler , the Soo has no problem recruiting as they have a great program.
Its simple "build it and they will come" . The agents run the show , they don't get paid until their player turns pro , so they place players where that has the greatest chance of that happening.

And the team's that don't suck get propped up by a consistent influx of NHL caliber talent. The Battalion were a consistently competitive team. They had a coach who ran a system of stifling defense. Players hated him. Fans complained of 'boring' hockey. But that team won a lot more than they should have.

This is a league of haves and have nots. And they're not doing a heck of a lot to protect these have nots from consistently losing at the draft table.

How good do you think we look two years from now if we take Ty Nelson on Saturday and Fantilli slides to Niagara, who hold his brother's rights? Seems like a pretty unattractive option.

 

[Kingpin794]

And the team's that don't suck get propped up by a consistent influx of NHL caliber talent. The Battalion were a consistently competitive team. They had a coach who ran a system of stifling defense. Players hated him. Fans complained of 'boring' hockey. But that team won a lot more than they should have.

This is a league of haves and have nots. And they're not doing a heck of a lot to protect these have nots from consistently losing at the draft table.

How good do you think we look two years from now if we take Ty Nelson on Saturday and Fantilli slides to Niagara, who hold his brother's rights? Seems like a pretty unattractive option.

Would the Wolves had been upset to get Evan Bouchard if they couldn't get Tippett?

 

[The Prophet]

And the team's that don't suck get propped up by a consistent influx of NHL caliber talent. The Battalion were a consistently competitive team. They had a coach who ran a system of stifling defense. Players hated him. Fans complained of 'boring' hockey. But that team won a lot more than they should have.

This is a league of haves and have nots. And they're not doing a heck of a lot to protect these have nots from consistently losing at the draft table.

How good do you think we look two years from now if we take Ty Nelson on Saturday and Fantilli slides to Niagara, who hold his brother's rights? Seems like a pretty unattractive option.

How good do you think we look 2 years from now if we take Fantilli , and he goes on to play in the NCAA , and are compensation pick next year doesn't report either ?

 

[HockeyPops]

@nelli27 Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I read that article (or thought I did) and somehow missed that part. For anyone else with reading comprehension issues like me, here is the article.
2023 NHL prospects Bedard, Fantilli et al. making noise three years early - TheHockeyNews

Fantilli has that extra year of eligibility.

No, he doesn't. He is a 2004 just like everyone else in this draft.

 

[The Prophet]

This one selection next week , might define Dennis as a GM for ever , time will tell how the rookie GM and his rookie (zero hockey experience )Director of scouting will proceed .

 

[View from section 9]

@nelli27 Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I read that article (or thought I did) and somehow missed that part. For anyone else with reading comprehension issues like me, here is the article.
2023 NHL prospects Bedard, Fantilli et al. making noise three years early - TheHockeyNews

No, he doesn't. He is a 2004 just like everyone else in this draft.

With a late birthday thus giving him an extra year. Similar to Coe for example

 

[belair]

Would the Wolves had been upset to get Evan Bouchard if they couldn't get Tippett?

You mean the guy who 'fell' to the London Knights?

 

[Kingpin794]

You mean the guy who 'fell' to the London Knights?

Whatever man. It's always someone else I guess.

 

[belair]

How good do you think we look 2 years from now if we take Fantilli , and he goes on to play in the NCAA , and are compensation pick next year doesn't report either ?

You're making my point for me.

 

[HockeyPops]

If a team drafts him and chooses to hold his rights for a year, they would lose any compensatory picks, correct?

 

[The Prophet]

You're making my point for me.

Fail to see that

 

[The Prophet]

With a late birthday thus giving him an extra year. Similar to Coe for example

A late birthday , only changes his NHL draft year ( like Coe) , not his years of playing in the league .

 

[View from section 9]

A late birthday , only changes his NHL draft year ( like Coe) , not his years of playing in the league .

In his case it certainly does.
Assume he (as a late birthday) comes to North Bay this year it does impact his years in the league as he would not be eligible until AFTER he plays THREE seasons.
In the same situation if he were NOT a late birthday he would be eligible to move the NHL after TWO seasons.

So in the end you're WRONG!!!!! Again

 

[The Prophet]

In his case it certainly does.
Assume he (as a late birthday) comes to North Bay this year it does impact his years in the league as he would not be eligible until AFTER he plays THREE seasons.
In the same situation if he were NOT a late birthday he would be eligible to move the NHL after TWO seasons.

So in the end you're WRONG!!!!! Again

Lol , after 2 seasons he is going straight to the NHL ?

 

[View from section 9]

Lol , after 2 seasons he is going straight to the NHL ?

You say this as if it has never happened before?
Experts (people more in the know than you or I) are suggesting that yes, it's a real possibility.

 

[The Prophet]

You say this as if it has never happened before?
Experts (people more in the know than you or I) are suggesting that yes, it's a real possibility.

Anything is possible , the Experts have not compared him to Crosby .

 

[belair]

Whatever man. It's always someone else I guess.

...or maybe I've got a point.

Like I said, you're missing something very obvious if you choose to argue that smaller market teams aren't at a disadvantage.

 

[belair]

Fail to see that

Well I've given you one option and you've given the other. Neither seems overly positive for the Battalion. Is it worth the risk to wait out the decision of an elite level talent? Or do you just let those guys slide down to the stronger markets to reap the benefits?

Seems that there should be a better way for teams to capitalize on the value of their picks in the instance these players choose to defect.