Dreger: No significant back and forth between Campbell and the Leafs, mentions Fluery as an option

[BigDaddyLurch]

What has that contract cost them that they haven't been able to replace or upgrade on?

Hyman? nope they got Bunting at about 83% less and he did more than Hyman ever did in Toronto

Brtown? nope that was the zaitsev contract that did that.

Johnsson? not really they replaced him with Kase and he did a great job.

Kapanen? there is a question as to if he will get qualified so not him either.

what has the Tavares cost the Leafs that they have not been able to replace?

...your answer is to list replacements for mostly "replacement-level" players; do you, as a Leafs fan who has seen them repeatedly fall in the 1st Round of the Playoffs, not see a problem with that kind of thinking??...the extra money that Tavares' contract is costing the Leafs leaves less money to fix glaring areas of need...how can any Leaf fan disagree with that??...

 

[Captain97]

3 goals on 8 OT shots goes back to Montreal

that's simply not good enough

Context for those who didn't watch that series.

One of those OT goals was a 2 on 0 of Suzuki and Caufield.

And the other was a terrible turnover by dermott that then was shot and deflected off of Bogosion.

Are you saying Campbell is at fault for either of them?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Context for those who didn't watch that series.

One of those OT goals was a 2 on 0 of Suzuki and Caufield.

And the other was a terrible turnover by dermott that then was shot and deflected off of Bogosion.

Are you saying Campbell is at fault for either of them?

The Dermott one

I'd like him to have the Dermott one

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Context for those who didn't watch that series.

One of those OT goals was a 2 on 0 of Suzuki and Caufield.

And the other was a terrible turnover by dermott that then was shot and deflected off of Bogosion.

Are you saying Campbell is at fault for either of them?

...apparently he should have already boarded up the net...

 

[Legion34]

...your answer is to list replacements for mostly "replacement-level" players; do you, as a Leafs fan who has seen them repeatedly fall in the 1st Round of the Playoffs, not see a problem with that kind of thinking??...the extra money that Tavares' contract is costing the Leafs leaves less money to fix glaring areas of need...how can any Leaf fan disagree with that??...

So to be clear. All of the players they lost…. Also lost? Sooooo how does this work?

They replaced players that lost in th first round. For cheaper players who also lost in the first round?

Sorry I like jack but a wrist shot that is deflected 50’feet out is a must have when the goalie on the other side stopped 14 straight with many HD chances

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

So to be clear. All of the players they lost…. Also lost? Sooooo how does this work?

They replaced players that lost in th first round. For cheaper players who also lost in the first round?

...the players lost or found by the Leafs aren't the point here at all...the significant loss of Cap Capital is with the amount Tavares is overpaid...it's pretty simple; the more money you can spend should be able to net your team the more impactful players to fill out the needs of the team...not Rocket Appliance, Ricky...

 

[Legion34]

...the players lost or found by the Leafs aren't the point here at all...the significant loss of Cap Capital is with the amount Tavares is overpaid...it's pretty simple; the more money you can spend should be able to net your team the more impactful players to fill out the needs of the team...not Rocket Appliance, Ricky...

???? This is silly.

1.) the leafs signed him when the cap was supposed to be about 90 million by now. The “cap crunch” by the u predictable pandemic is silly

2.) Tavares is clearly worth something. Even IF you decide that he isn’t worth 11. Ok? What’s he worth. 9?

The leafs have a 60’pt player making 950’k. What’s that worth? 5-6?

 

[2014nyr]

the leafs have to know they cannot sign fleury. they cannot combine their recent playoff past with a guy whos had his own implosions in them. disaster written all over that pairing. theres no chance they get vegas playoffs fleury or 1st pitt cup run fleury...theyll get the legendary islanders series for pitt fleury.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

???? This is silly.

1.) the leafs signed him when the cap was supposed to be about 90 million by now. The “cap crunch” by the u predictable pandemic is silly

2.) Tavares is clearly worth something. Even IF you decide that he isn’t worth 11. Ok? What’s he worth. 9?

The leafs have a 60’pt player making 950’k. What’s that worth? 5-6?

...no, what's silly is a position that Tavares isn't overpaid or that said overpay isn't stopping them from using said overpay to sign better players to fill holes in the roster...and as for Bunting, let's say he repeats his season from this year; do you believe that he'll still accept anything close to his current salary as a UFA after next season??...of course not, he'll cost a significant amount more...cost/effect...again, pretty simple...and if you can't wrap your head around that, then I think we're done here...

 

[Legion34]

...no, what's silly is a position that Tavares isn't overpaid or that said overpay isn't stopping them from using said overpay to sign better players to fill holes in the roster...and as for Bunting, let's say he repeats his season from this year; do you believe that he'll still accept anything close to his current salary as a UFA after next season??...of course not, he'll cost a significant amount more...cost/effect...again, pretty simple...and if you can't wrap your head around that, then I think we're done here...

Sure. Then knies or someone else comes in.

Dubas’ plan was and is to bet on his ability to overall “work around the margins” of the 4.

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong. But we were told he couldn’t replace Hyman. He did for 4.5 in savings

But Toronto got 60’goals and 140 pts for 11.95 million. Out of Tavares and bunting. That pair is underpaid.

They got 115 pts out of their 81.5 million roster

How many teams can say the same? Fact is that every player “could” in theory take less which would give more to others.

Tavares signed from 28-34 as a top line C. His cap was supposed to leave more room with the pandemic. They should have 10-15 more to spend. They don’t so they got other players on better deals.

It’s pretty simple

Tavares got 11. What was he worth this year
Bunting? Matthews? Marner? Nylander? Kampf? Miky? Spezza.

Fact is most all of the leafs out performed their deals.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Sure. Then knies or someone else comes in.

Dubas’ plan was and is to bet on his ability to overall “work around the margins” of the 4.

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong. But we were told he couldn’t replace Hyman. He did for 4.5 in savings

But Toronto got 60’goals and 140 pts for 11.95 million. Out of Tavares and bunting. That pair is underpaid.

They got 115 pts out of their 81.5 million roster

How many teams can say the same?

...and all that has led to how many Playoff round wins??...horseshoes...hand grenades...the only things where close counts...

 

[Legion34]

...and all that has led to how many Playoff round wins??...horseshoes...hand grenades...the only things where close counts...

So to be clear. Is every player on every team that didn’t win a round overpaid? How does this work?

Again. It’s simple

How much was each player worth this year?

Tavares…
Matthews…
Marner
Nylande

Miky…
Bunting
Engvall
Kampf?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

So to be clear. Is every player on every team that didn’t win a round overpaid? How does this work?

Again. It’s simple

How much was each player worth this year?

Tavares…
Matthews…
Marner
Nylande

Miky…
Bunting
Engvall
Kampf?

...your back must be killing you, what with all that goalpost moving...

 

[Legion34]

...your back must be killing you, what with all that goalpost moving...

Nope. Your suggestion is that Tavares cap prohibits the leafs from improving. While in theory that applies to every single player above the league min. You should easily be able to show that the leafs were prevented from adding

1.) in fact they could easily have put muzz on LTIR and started him game 1. They chose not to. So whether or not that was right. It was possible.

2.) it is pretty clear that dubas more than made up for his “overpayment” by drastic underpayments to others.

Tell the class. How much cap hit were the performances of leafs this year. It’s pretty clear you are obsessed. At least try to be right

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Nope. Your suggestion is that Tavares cap prohibits the leafs from improving. While in theory that applies to every single player above the league min. You should easily be able to show that the leafs were prevented from adding

1.) in fact they could easily have put muzz on LTIR and started him game 1. They chose not to. So whether or not that was right. It was possible.

2.) it is pretty clear that dubas more than made up for his “overpayment” by drastic underpayments to others.

Tell the class. How much cap hit were the performances of leafs this year. It’s pretty clear you are obsessed. At least try to be right

...no, it just shows that I'm done wasting my time on someone who can't wrap their head around the simple and factual point that Tavares is significantly overpaid and that hurts the Leafs in the Cap Era (this one, in case you were wondering)...

 

[Legion34]

...no, it just shows that I'm done wasting my time on someone who can't wrap their head around the simple and factual point that Tavares is significantly overpaid and that hurts the Leafs in the Cap Era (this one, in case you were wondering)...

How many leafs were significantly underpaid and helped?

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

...no, it just shows that I'm done wasting my time on someone who can't wrap their head around the simple and factual point that Tavares is significantly overpaid and that hurts the Leafs in the Cap Era (this one, in case you were wondering)...

Tavares is overpaid but significantly is doing a lot of work here. He plays 2C and put 76pts in 79 games. If he played 1st line he would break PPG of course. Is he overpaid? Yes, probably by 2-2.5M.

Does that hurt the Leafs? Yeah, but... not significantly the way its being suggested honestly. Particularly because star players typically out produce their AAV in terms of value. The Tavares discussion is silly. They likely wouldn't trade him even if they could, because the likelihood of splitting him even into a 7M and 4M (or 6 and 5) and making the team better is low to begin with.

One thing Dubas has done a good job with is finding bargains around the edges (and getting help from some vets). Whatever Tavares is overpaid by is easily, easily made up by the Gio contract, Bunting contract, Spezza (former) contracts.

 

[Space umpire]

I don't think it would be a tough sell job for any player, not just a goalie but any player, now in the case of a goalie it should be even easier because the pitch would be something along the lines of .

"We won 54 games last year, we put up a 115 points, we have a 60 goal center, we have great wingers in Marner and Nylander, we have a fantastic #2 center in Tavares and we have a solid top 4 defense.

" this team is a goaltender away from breaking through, you can be the difference, come be the difference."
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None of your top 4 defensemen makes Tampa’s top 4. The closest is bushie. The others kind of suck at you know …. Actually playing defense.

 

[Captain97]

The Dermott one

I'd like him to have the Dermott one

It deflected off hus own olayer though. You could like him to have it but that's not something you can really blame him for.

 

[Space umpire]

The Dermott one

I'd like him to have the Dermott one

How to tell people you don’t play hockey without actually saying it.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Spelt Fleury wrong on the title.