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No the Blues only outplay us in third periods when it counts!
Jets a very good two period team!
Post-Game Talk: No lead is safe with the Jets
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No the Blues only outplay us in third periods when it counts!
Jets a very good two period team!
Best post of the thread, and I agree.
I’m also excited that I get to watch at least one more jets playoff game this year, and hopefully more than that. We have the team to do it.
I think you can blame Trouba for this loss pretty comfortably.
His penalty got the Blues back in the game.
His bullshit play behind the net and weak assed swat at the puck in front allowed the 3rd goal.
This is a top defender who wants big money? Someone else can pay it. I'd rather pay that to someone like Parayko or Pietrangelo who plays the way you have to in the playoffs to win.
LadyJet26
LETS GO BLUE!!!!!
raideralex99
Whiteout Is Coming.
Blues fans are not the problem.
It's the so called Jet fans attacking the team ... its just a game ... somebody wins and someone has to lose.
Besides the series is not over.
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If you look at these 2 teams, the Jet's have way more talent than St.Louis. As far as I can see their 2 dominant players are Petroangelo, and Terrasenko, and after that, they pretty much are an average ( or above) that works hard as a team. They also seem to put out a 60 minute effort every time out.
The Jet's have Buff, Wheeler, Scheif, Connor, Ehlers and Morrissey. We should be able to handle that team easily as we did in Game 4 --we were tenacious, and just kept coming at them in waves. This is the way we have to play to beat the Blues, as they will not quit.
Also, the Jet's seem to have this fear of losing in the 3rd period, when they have the lead. It becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. This is where Maurice has to instill a plan, make adjustments, and also the "players" have to put out a gritty 60 minute effort for the whole game. This losing leads fear --rears it's ugly head, and you can see how tentative the Jet's play with the lead. They need to keep their foot on the Gas--and realize that a great "offense" is your best "defense."
I still feel the Jet's have a great chance to pull this off --about 40% -- but they will have to dig down deep like they did the first 2 games in St.Louis.
The Jet's can win this thing -- but just how bad do they want it ???
Are the Jet's the better team --when it comes to will and effort ? I question this? but will be pulling for them all the way in Game 6 -- bring this series back to Winnipeg, and our odds will be 60% to win.
Example here -Hayes should have had 3 goals, but got 1, and we had a 4 minute power play, that didn't look that good. We have to convert these chances. I like Myers on the PP like last year, however Buff is good as well -- just like to see Myer's quarterbacking the PP as well.
We will soon see "who wants it more" ? and how much their willing to put out. C'mon boys--just win 1 more game, and bring this series back home.
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Jetfaninflorida
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I just want to take a moment and point out that this is not actually the case regarding great success.
In all of Maurices time in Winnipeg, we have completed 4 playoff series. We have won 2 and lost 2. We were swept in one. Last year we were heavy favorites to beat Vegas, and after winning game 1 we were swept.
It is very hard to look at Maurice's coaching tenure in Winnipeg and say great success. Now if you exclude playoff results from the discussion, it is probably even more difficult unless you just isolate down to one regular season year.
And I don't consider Maurice to be a bad coach. Considering the roster, he is a weak link though.
Hopefully this year is different and the team and Maurice do achieve great success.
Duke749
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We’re calling a 4-1 series loss a sweep now? Oh good grief.Do you really not have enough evidence to argue against Maurice to not twist things as much as possible? This just comes across as petty.
He’s referring to the Anaheim series.
Duke749
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Jets gone in 6. End of the season staff party is at St Andrews golf course on Sunday. Roslovic and Ehlers are the planners since they already checked out of the series.
WPGChief
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While I'm not sure I've seen much of it in this thread, I am scratching my head at all this Trouba talk as if the one mistake among the myriad of errors at the end of the game was telling to his whole game and thus we should be happy to trade him away for another team to play him.
I for one, would not like to trade away a defenceman who we've relied on for all 82 games this season playing a very high 36% of all available 5v5 minutes in games, with an above-average 50.21CF% and 1.84RelCF%, 48.6xGF% and 1.45RelxGF%, within a season of where the Jets were treading nearly 40% in both categories for months, while taking the less or same amount of penalties as Chiarot, Myers, Byfuglien (with Kulikov not far behind) even though he has the highest amount minutes of Jets defencemen at 1435.8 TOI.
I for one, would not like to trade away a defenceman who we've relied on for all 82 games this season playing a very high 36% of all available 5v5 minutes in games, with an above-average 50.21CF% and 1.84RelCF%, 48.6xGF% and 1.45RelxGF%, within a season of where the Jets were treading nearly 40% in both categories for months, while taking the less or same amount of penalties as Chiarot, Myers, Byfuglien (with Kulikov not far behind) even though he has the highest amount minutes of Jets defencemen at 1435.8 TOI.
I am not a big Maurice booster, just for the record. I am totally fine with him being replaced in the offseason - as I think most coaches have a shelf life and I think we need a different message for this very talented group.
However, there is a certain segment of fandom that somehow thinks that Maurice is the reason we collapse late in games. Whilst he is not free from blame, the players make the stupid decisions and don't dial up the intensity on the ice, not Maurice.
Just goes to show how stats need context.While I'm not sure I've seen much of it in this thread, I am scratching my head at all this Trouba talk as if the one mistake among the myriad of errors at the end of the game was telling to his whole game and thus we should be happy to trade him away for another team to play him.
I for one, would not like to trade away a defenceman who we've relied on for all 82 games this season playing a very high 36% of all available 5v5 minutes in games, with an above-average 50.21CF% and 1.84RelCF%, 48.6xGF% and 1.45RelxGF%, within a season of where the Jets were treading nearly 40% in both categories for months, while taking the less or same amount of penalties as Chiarot, Myers, Byfuglien (with Kulikov not far behind) even though he has the highest amount minutes of Jets defencemen at 1435.8 TOI.
Trouba made 3 decisions that lost us the game last night. Trouba does not seem to step up when he is really needed. Of course he is a good defenseman but for the money he wants, and what the Jets NEED if we are to have playoff success, Trouba is a mistake. We need a Doughty.
Jetfaninflorida
Southernmost Jet Fan
Trouba screwed up. But I think we lost that game because we defaulted back to third period try to sit on a lead hockey, and perimeter shot hockey when in the offensive zone. We should have stuck with our Game 3, Game 4 game which had a lot more drive to net, drive to the dirty area hockey with pucks to the net. You know, playoff hockey.
While that is true, I am of the belief if the team doesn't get scored on in that PP early in the 3rd, they play it differently. To that point the were controlling the play for large parts of the game.
Who was in the box? Why was he in the box?
WPGChief
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My context says "Doughty was bad on a horrible team" and "Trouba was pretty good on a middling team".
Congratulations, you picked out 3 events that perhaps had costly results in the end. Can you please put together the thousands of other events that Trouba's had for me that has led to both good and bad results and we can see which one outweighs the other? Oh wait...
My context says "Doughty was bad on a horrible team" and "Trouba was pretty good on a middling team".
Congratulations, you picked out 3 events that perhaps had costly results in the end. Can you please put together the thousands of other events that Trouba's had for me that has led to both good and bad results and we can see which one outweighs the other? Oh wait...
LOL so you are going to play it like that?
Another case as to why stats are bullshit most of the time in the hands of people hellbent to tell a story.
Please try to tell me that Drew Doughty has not had a HUGE resume of success in the playoffs
Please try to tell me that Jacob Trouba has driven success in the playoffs
Or you can just pull out more charts, I guess.
Jetfaninflorida
Southernmost Jet Fan
While that is true, I am of the belief if the team doesn't get scored on in that PP early in the 3rd, they play it differently. To that point the were controlling the play for large parts of the game.
Who was in the box? Why was he in the box?
Yes, Trouba was in the box. And I stated in the GDT that he needs to be smarter than to be goaded into taking that penalty.
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What else is there to say (edit) about that game?
What else is there to say (edit) about that game?
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WPGChief
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Funny, I tried to look up Doughty highlights in the playoffs for the last three years and I can only find one season's worth in which they got swept. What happened there? (Though if I'm being honest, he had a respectable CF% but an atrocious xGF% along with the rest of the team.)
I'm not hellbent to tell a story. If anything I'm the one trying to provide the context by trying to bring in the other thousands of minutes of Trouba's play to your few!
This is about to turn into Gardiner situation real quickly. We've already lost Enstrom and are still feeling the aftereffects. I dare you to tell me we would be a significantly better team without Jacob Trouba logging heavy minutes on the blueline and instead have Myers, or Niku, or Poolman taking that available ice time. But I guess we'll find out next year since he's a for sure goner eh?
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Robinson2187
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So disappointing after that quick start. But it's often how you finish and not how you start(especially for this year's Jerts).
Team just can't clear the zone when they need to. It's been a problem most of the year.
I don't know about Ehlers man...he seems to shrivel in these playoff games.
We need to clone CLT.
Pls win Saturday.
Team just can't clear the zone when they need to. It's been a problem most of the year.
I don't know about Ehlers man...he seems to shrivel in these playoff games.
We need to clone CLT.
Pls win Saturday.
You’d think this would be obvious.While I'm not sure I've seen much of it in this thread, I am scratching my head at all this Trouba talk as if the one mistake among the myriad of errors at the end of the game was telling to his whole game and thus we should be happy to trade him away for another team to play him.
I for one, would not like to trade away a defenceman who we've relied on for all 82 games this season playing a very high 36% of all available 5v5 minutes in games, with an above-average 50.21CF% and 1.84RelCF%, 48.6xGF% and 1.45RelxGF%, within a season of where the Jets were treading nearly 40% in both categories for months, while taking the less or same amount of penalties as Chiarot, Myers, Byfuglien (with Kulikov not far behind) even though he has the highest amount minutes of Jets defencemen at 1435.8 TOI.
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