Proposal: NJD M.Mcleod for EDM J.Puljujarvi

[VoidCreature]

We're flush with LH shots. I'd want RH shot coming back for Puljujarvi.

Michael McLeod doesn't have a shot. If there is a warm blooded creature between him and the net it's not going in.

He takes faceoffs and knocks into things but that's about it. Once in a blue moon he'll make a nice pass.

 

[Oneiro]

McLeod doesn't bring you much offense if that's what you're hoping for. He hustles, is a solid PKer and is very good at getting through the NZ with speed. But it's, at best, a lateral move if you get the best version of McLeod, which is no guarantee.

Puljujarvi - 46 GP - 10 pts
Mcleod - 45 GP - 18 pts and the worst CF% player on the Devils, unlike Puljujarvi

 

[Goptor]

Pulju has over 3x the salary cap hit.

 

[Eggtimer]

Id do it if we had any other C in the organization that could step in for McLeod but we don’t. We have zero real C depth without screwing our lines up. Mercer technically could be a C but he is far better on wing .Same with Sharangovich. We don’t really have a good option for 4C besides McLeod. I’d way rather give up Wood but his contract makes him useless to the Oilers.
If we had another 4c lined up to replace McLeod then sure , I’d be all for it

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Done for me. I don’t even want McLeod, or I should say we don’t technically need McLeod in a Puljujarvi deal. If Devils will take Puljujarvi just send us a late pick. The value for us will be cap space to get a top 4 D upgrade.

 

[Blackjack]

I think Puljujarvi is the superior player in every way, so I’d love to do the trade, but I don’t know who’d play center for NJ in McLeod’s place.

Pulju has over 3x the salary cap hit.

There’s also that. McLeod is close to league minimum and the Devils are already over the cap.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

NJ gets JP to test out for the rest of the year. Oilers get M.Mcleod. Fair Trade?

No way...McLeod not being traded by NJ...

 

[LTIR]

Id do it if we had any other C in the organization that could step in for McLeod but we don’t. We have zero real C depth without screwing our lines up. Mercer technically could be a C but he is far better on wing .Same with Sharangovich. We don’t really have a good option for 4C besides McLeod. I’d way rather give up Wood but his contract makes him useless to the Oilers.
If we had another 4c lined up to replace McLeod then sure , I’d be all for it

I'm sure a GM is not limited to one trade... NJ can bring in a Toews or ROR to fill a C spot..

It appears NJ needs someone like Ryan McLeod more than EDM needing a Mike McLeod.

 

[MessierII]

I’d take this in a heartbeat

 

[biturbo19]

Id like to keep McLeod in NJ - hes an awesome fourth line center who does just about all we need but score more.. in which case hed be a third line center!

The lack of scoring will also help to keep McLeod cheap going forward. There's value in a guy who has a role and plays to it dependably at an affordable price.


Whereas Puljujarvi...doesn't really have a role. He's not a Top-6 scorer because he doesn't have the skill or awareness to be properly productive doing that, even alongside two of the best players in the game. But he's not good enough defensively to be any kind of shutdown bottom-6 grinder either. He's paid quite a bit for whatever it is that he offers. A big awkward tweener.

The only way this would make any sense for the Devils is if they are fools, and think that they are somehow going to be able to get "more" out of Puljujarvi offensively. Despite plenty of evidence to the contrary at this point, demonstrating that he just doesn't have the puck skills, awareness, or vision and hockey smarts to be effective like that.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Which is hard to believe and impressive because Mercer is also on the team! (hardest worker)

Exactly. Huala should be on the 3rd line. Mercer should be a permanent winger on Hughes line.

 

[Highmarker]

I think Edmonton would give puljujarvi away at this point. Anybody who will take his salary.

 

[LTIR]

The lack of scoring will also help to keep McLeod cheap going forward. There's value in a guy who has a role and plays to it dependably at an affordable price.


Whereas Puljujarvi...doesn't really have a role. He's not a Top-6 scorer because he doesn't have the skill or awareness to be properly productive doing that, even alongside two of the best players in the game. But he's not good enough defensively to be any kind of shutdown bottom-6 grinder either. He's paid quite a bit for whatever it is that he offers. A big awkward tweener.

The only way this would make any sense for the Devils is if they are fools, and think that they are somehow going to be able to get "more" out of Puljujarvi offensively. Despite plenty of evidence to the contrary at this point, demonstrating that he just doesn't have the puck skills, awareness, or vision and hockey smarts to be effective like that.

Ones who actually watch Puljujarvi play know this is false. Puljujarvi is one of the better Oilers defensively and looks pretty decent in a bottom 6 grinder role.. Watching the last game he looked very confident crashing and banging with Kostin as linemate until McDavid started centering the duo.. lost the plot then and looked clueless on the ice afterwards. He likely just need a change of scenery ala Kostin to get going again

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Allegations only.

thats what he said?

 

[HBK27]

I'm sure a GM is not limited to one trade... NJ can bring in a Toews or ROR to fill a C spot..

It appears NJ needs someone like Ryan McLeod more than EDM needing a Mike McLeod.

No they couldn't as NJ is an LTIR team and the $2M+ additional cap him that they'd absorb in a McLeod/Puljujarvi trade would eat up what little cap space they do have.

Just doesn't make any sense for NJ to make the trade as McLeod serves a key role as a 4th line defensive center that is fantastic at faceoffs. Would be a big hole in their lineup if he's traded for a guy with worse stats than Zetterlund, who currently can't even get into the lineup as he's been a healthy scratch.

 

[njdevil26]

McLeod is a tenacious player. He definitely doesn't take "no" for an answer.

 

[LTIR]

No they couldn't as NJ is an LTIR team and the $2M+ additional cap him that they'd absorb in a McLeod/Puljujarvi trade would eat up what little cap space they do have.

Just doesn't make any sense for NJ to make the trade as McLeod serves a key role as a 4th line defensive center that is fantastic at faceoffs. Would be a big hole in their lineup if he's traded for a guy with worse stats than Zetterlund, who currently can't even get into the lineup as he's been a healthy scratch.

I assumed NJ had loads of cap space.. Yeh I guess that changes things.

McLeod is a tenacious player. He definitely doesn't take "no" for an answer.

Let's not go there...thanks

 

[njdevil26]

Let's not go there...thanks

I think it's pretty relevant. You guys are so anxious to get rid of that player you're willing to acquire a guy that's nearing the summit of Mount "THIS DON'T LOOK TO GOOD!"

 

[OilerSuperstar17]

NJ gets JP to test out for the rest of the year. Oilers get M.Mcleod. Fair Trade?

He was apparently a part of that World Juniors SA scandal. No thank you.

 

[Macheteops]

I think Puljujarvi is the superior player in every way, so I’d love to do the trade, but I don’t know who’d play center for NJ in McLeod’s place.



There’s also that. McLeod is close to league minimum and the Devils are already over the cap.

Zero chance of that and I don't watch McLeod but no way is Pulju superior in every way. If so McLeod isn't an NHL player

 

[DingDongCharlie]

He was apparently a part of that World Juniors SA scandal. No thank you.

That’s never been reported. Nobody which players are involved. Maybe you just chose a poor choice of words.

Players affiliated with the team won’t be moved until the whole thing is cleared up though. That is true.

 

[njdevil26]

That’s never been reported. Nobody which players are involved. Maybe you just chose a poor choice of words.

Players affiliated with the team won’t be moved until the whole thing is cleared up though. That is true.

The issue with McLeod is we have statements from almost every player on that team except for 2-3 at this point I think. We have guys that have said they weren't in the province, they weren't at the event, or they weren't involved.

You would think if he was not at the event or in the province, he says that day one. That can easily be proved wrong if he's lying.

All he has said is he's cooperating with the investigation and will not comment on it. We even have statements from a player saying they were in the room, saw what was happening, and left and didn't take part.

We have zero from McLeod.

So it doesn't look good for him. Even if he is 100% innocent which is of course possible unless proven otherwise, he is unknown and hasn't made a statement. So that ends up with the result of him being extremely toxic for other GMs.

 

[PK]

The issue with McLeod is we have statements from almost every player on that team except for 2-3 at this point I think. We have guys that have said they weren't in the province, they weren't at the event, or they weren't involved.

You would think if he was not at the event or in the province, he says that day one. That can easily be proved wrong if he's lying.

All he has said is he's cooperating with the investigation and will not comment on it. We even have statements from a player saying they were in the room, saw what was happening, and left and didn't take part.

We have zero from McLeod.

So it doesn't look good for him. Even if he is 100% innocent which is of course possible unless proven otherwise, he is unknown and hasn't made a statement. So that ends up with the result of him being extremely toxic for other GMs.

Staying quiet doesn’t mean anything at all one way or the other.

 

[MasterofGrond]

No way

We need a 3C (or a winger to push Haula to 3C role), if we trade McLeod there is no option down in Utica to fill the 4C role

he's the hardest worker guy on the team too

Hard work can only help so much if you suck as bad as he does.

He’s a good PKer and a mediocre 4th line center. I’d be more worried about what the PK would look like without him than what the 4th line would.

Like the deal in a vacuum, even just to get him off the team, but might just not be the right time for it.

 

[John Pedro]

Hard work can only help so much if you suck as bad as he does.

He’s a good PKer and a mediocre 4th line center. I’d be more worried about what the PK would look like without him than what the 4th line would.

Like the deal in a vacuum, even just to get him off the team, but might just not be the right time for it.

I mean, he's a 4th for a reason

he's on pace for 33 points, and is a net plus-minus positive player and a good PKiller on top of being an elite skater. That's pretty good for a 4C and he could've had more points if BMW line didn't suffer injuries. Also, if Lindy didn't run him out there every single dzone faceoff he would probably have decent corsi numbers too

Puljujarvi is expensive and probably not better than what we got.