Post-Game Talk: Nice way to kickstart your Oilers withdrawal - Berlin Wall gets some ice time!

[Oilhawks]

Five billion dollar business and unionized to boot and it doesn't have provision to pay this kid. The memories are amazing but put some bread on the table for the guy.

Yeah, it’s kind of weird. You’d figure they’d get some coin out of that

 

[Homesick]

I know it mostly comes down to if Kane and toews want to leave, but looking at their base salary of only 2.9 mil, I couldnt imagine having a 3rd team involved to eat like what, 700k in cash would cost much....

Maybe ARI gets a little bit better of a pick for Bjugstad and retaining on Kane

 

[Harry Curry]

Still waiting on Gary to find some loophole and crap on the Oilers today for letting a guy play in the game signed to an emergency contract when Campbell wasn't hurt.

Naw. Not even the NHL communications department is that mind numbingly tone deaf.

Could you imagine the reaction if the NHL tried to penalize the Oilers for letting this kid LARP being an NHLer?

 

[Harry Curry]

eah, it’s kind of weird. You’d figure they’d get some coin out of that

He's paying university hockey. Wants to maintain his eligibility to play most likely.

The Oilers could have signed him to a PTO. Berlin definitely would have been paid $500 for this game. Probably would have been paid for being backup even if he didn't play.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Five billion dollar business and unionized to boot and it doesn't have provision to pay this kid. The memories are amazing but put some bread on the table for the guy.

He got a 25 dollar esso gas card and they only charged him cost for his game worn jersey.

 

[alanschu]

Five billion dollar business and unionized to boot and it doesn't have provision to pay this kid. The memories are amazing but put some bread on the table for the guy.

I won't discount a big rich organization being super cheap, though I wonder if there's aspects of his amateur playing career prohibiting him from getting paid in this context?

I'm not sure what U Sports is like but I know the NCAA is supremely picky about stuff like this.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I won't discount a big rich organization being super cheap, though I wonder if there's aspects of his amateur playing career prohibiting him from getting paid in this context?

I'm not sure what U Sports is like but I know the NCAA is supremely picky about stuff like this.

U Sports does not have the restrictions as the bogus, hypocritical NCAA (which earns billions off the backs of its 'amateur' athletes). I think Hayley Wickenheiser played a couple years of pro hockey in Finland and returned to U Sports competition ... not 100% on that.

Just such a weird quirk that in a professional sport with billions of dollars in revenue and unionized workforce that this kid isn't paid.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Not for nothing, and probably because of Kulak's fight (which was alright by me), Broberg played more minutes then Kulak and more minutes than Nurse on the PK (3 seconds, but it's more time).

Desharnais also lead all defensemen in PK time. The kids are showing well.

 

[bellagiobob]

Boys are playing well. Anybody know what day the players report back for practice?

 

[K1984]

Not for nothing, and probably because of Kulak's fight (which was alright by me), Broberg played more minutes then Kulak and more minutes than Nurse on the PK (3 seconds, but it's more time).

Desharnais also lead all defensemen in PK time. The kids are showing well.

Having one of Barrie/Bouchard (mostly Bouchard) not have to pk as much or at all has been a godsend. No coincidence the PK became instantly more competent the moment Desharnais took the minutes away from those two.

We're again between a rock and a hard place on defense because the composition is so messed up.

One of Barrie or Bouchard needs to be replaced by someone defensively competent on the right side to meaningfully compete (especially considering Ceci's play has dropped off the map), but:

- Can't deal Bouchard because we're selling low on a guy that will definitely get better, has a low cap hit, and is one of the only good passing D men on the team, but

- Can't deal Barrie because he has vastly outplayed Bouchard this year in every way, but

- Barrie makes $4.5M it would be difficult to add to the group significantly while keeping his contract, but

- Desharnais has stepped in and corrected a lot of the problems, but can you trust him to pick up more minutes and keep up the performance, and will we be able to play 11/7 in the playoffs?

I have no idea where to really go. The best move considering this year only is probably to deal Bouchard in a package for a home run top 4 d man, but it would almost certainly be a poor longer term move. I'm beginning to lose confidence that Bouchard will ever be much more than an offense only semi-top 4 d-man, so I'm slowly starting to lean this way if we are really to take a shot at it over the next few years. At this point Bouchard might be a scratch in the playoffs if we have to play 12/6. He would be for me anyways.

 

[RipsADrive]

Boys are playing well. Anybody know what day the players report back for practice?

Penalty kill stat is what stands out to me compared to how it was at the start of the year.

Of course we need to keep quality of competition in mind but even the bad teams would light up our PK.

 

[Mr Kot]

Boys are playing well. Anybody know what day the players report back for practice?

WTF I WAS WRONG ABOUT HOLLAND?!!

 

[FlameChampion]

He seems incapable of processing the game in his own zone and probably will top out as a situational PP specialist.

Still a place for that type of player but the lofty expectations of him becoming a top pairing guy seem way out of reach considering his skillset and very obvious limitations.

I think he can process the game fine. He just plays with so little urgency that it gets himself into problems. All he has to do is play on his toes or w/e NHL people say. It seems like something thats so easy to fix ... I dont get it lol.

He kind of runs into the same problems as Nurse. They both make a lot of bad plays on nothing plays because their arrogant/delusional.

 

[FlameChampion]

Having one of Barrie/Bouchard (mostly Bouchard) not have to pk as much or at all has been a godsend. No coincidence the PK became instantly more competent the moment Desharnais took the minutes away from those two.

We're again between a rock and a hard place on defense because the composition is so messed up.

One of Barrie or Bouchard needs to be replaced by someone defensively competent on the right side to meaningfully compete (especially considering Ceci's play has dropped off the map), but:

- Can't deal Bouchard because we're selling low on a guy that will definitely get better, has a low cap hit, and is one of the only good passing D men on the team, but

- Can't deal Barrie because he has vastly outplayed Bouchard this year in every way, but

- Barrie makes $4.5M it would be difficult to add to the group significantly while keeping his contract, but

- Desharnais has stepped in and corrected a lot of the problems, but can you trust him to pick up more minutes and keep up the performance, and will we be able to play 11/7 in the playoffs?

I have no idea where to really go. The best move considering this year only is probably to deal Bouchard in a package for a home run top 4 d man, but it would almost certainly be a poor longer term move. I'm beginning to lose confidence that Bouchard will ever be much more than an offense only semi-top 4 d-man, so I'm slowly starting to lean this way if we are really to take a shot at it over the next few years. At this point Bouchard might be a scratch in the playoffs if we have to play 12/6. He would be for me anyways.

I am honestly in the same place with Bouchard/Barrie. I think the team needs to be patient with the situation, because I think the wrong decision could have some serious negative consequences.

I think it also partially depends what Bouchards worth is right now. If theres a team willing to overpay for him, I think its a scenerio that the team really has to consider. I think if you move him, you need to replace him with someone around the same age/potential but is more defensively aware. I cant really see a deal getting done though. Not sure the team has any choice but to be patient with Bouchard.

 

[K1984]

He seems incapable of processing the game in his own zone and probably will top out as a situational PP specialist.

Still a place for that type of player but the lofty expectations of him becoming a top pairing guy seem way out of reach considering his skillset and very obvious limitations.

With Bouchard his problems processing extend to all zones, including the O zone IMO. He's just another talented, but incredibly stupid player.

His lackadaisical play in the d zone speaks for itself, but even in the o-zone he takes forever to shoot and often over complicates things (ie pinching, then blind reversing a pass to an unsuspecting winger at the point). He routinely makes the dumbest plays possible in the neutral zone as well, one example from the Columbus game that sums it up for me. He skates the puck out of the zone and doesn't throw it away (good), skates it over the red line before making a play (good), but then takes another two strides after he crosses the red line into 3 waiting Jackets players then reverses and tries to throw the puck backwards to nobody springing them on a 2 on 1.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a player go from very dumb to not dumb. It just doesn't commonly happen.

 

[The Nuge]

I can see it now...
"Hey Matty, coming out with us to the Cactus?"

"f*** boys, I can't. I have a term paper I haven't began yet due Monday and two exams to study for."

I feel like the excuse “I was busy winning a game with the Oilers” would probably fly at the U of A for getting an extension

Penalty kill stat is what stands out to me compared to how it was at the start of the year.

Of course we need to keep quality of competition in mind but even the bad teams would light up our PK.

To be fair, we were also dealing with a brutal cold stretch from Campbell, which tends to make the PK numbers look a lot worse.

 

[The Nuge]

Having one of Barrie/Bouchard (mostly Bouchard) not have to pk as much or at all has been a godsend. No coincidence the PK became instantly more competent the moment Desharnais took the minutes away from those two.

We're again between a rock and a hard place on defense because the composition is so messed up.

One of Barrie or Bouchard needs to be replaced by someone defensively competent on the right side to meaningfully compete (especially considering Ceci's play has dropped off the map), but:

- Can't deal Bouchard because we're selling low on a guy that will definitely get better, has a low cap hit, and is one of the only good passing D men on the team, but

- Can't deal Barrie because he has vastly outplayed Bouchard this year in every way, but

- Barrie makes $4.5M it would be difficult to add to the group significantly while keeping his contract, but

- Desharnais has stepped in and corrected a lot of the problems, but can you trust him to pick up more minutes and keep up the performance, and will we be able to play 11/7 in the playoffs?

I have no idea where to really go. The best move considering this year only is probably to deal Bouchard in a package for a home run top 4 d man, but it would almost certainly be a poor longer term move. I'm beginning to lose confidence that Bouchard will ever be much more than an offense only semi-top 4 d-man, so I'm slowly starting to lean this way if we are really to take a shot at it over the next few years. At this point Bouchard might be a scratch in the playoffs if we have to play 12/6. He would be for me anyways.

I don’t see how the composition is “so messed up”. We have 2 offensive dmen on the right side, which theoretically means one needs to PK, but we’ve also got Broberg who can play the right side if he can progress his PK ability. I don’t hate the idea of running 11/7 in the playoffs regardless though. Teams usually shorten the bench anyways, so why not run an extra dman who can give you those special teams options? And if an injury happens, I’d rather risk going to 10 forwards than 5 dmen

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

What program has exams 1 month into the semester?

 

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[OilynutEsquire]

I'm really thinking we should consider moving Bouchard. Not sure if he'll ever be more than he is.

Yes because players are done developing after 152 games. 23 year old dmen never get better.

 

[joestevens29]

Boys are playing well. Anybody know what day the players report back for practice?

5 goals a game in that many games seems ridiculous.

 

[joestevens29]

Yes because players are done developing after 152 games. 23 year old dmen never get better.

I think if they gave him time on the number unit to get some more points that he could get going.

Although his even strength goals for verse against aren't exactly bad.

 

[RegDunlop]

Yes because players are done developing after 152 games. 23 year old dmen never get better.

Still waiting on JP are ya?!

Yes because players are done developing after 152 games. 23 year old dmen never get better.

Still waiting on JP are ya?!

 

[WaitingForUser]

Still waiting on JP are ya?!


Still waiting on JP are ya?!

D men and forwards are a whole different story though. D men are not fully developed until around the 300 game mark. They usually peak around 27. Forwards can peak as early as 23/24.

 

[RegDunlop]

D men and forwards are a whole different story though. D men are not fully developed until around the 300 game mark. They usually peak around 27. Forwards can peak as early as 23/24.

For sure
And perhaps Bouchard will round out. But for me, I'm a Barrie fan. Superior offense and PP QB with an easy contract. I see no reason why we need to have a 'Barrie lite', and could use the player as a major trading block.

Then again - I've been wrong before!!