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I just hope by the 2010 Olympics one of the "big six" is forced to play the earlier rounds . . . . . I want to see how the NHL will handle that.
HockeyCritter said:I just hope by the 2010 Olympics one of the "big six" is forced to play the earlier rounds . . . . . I want to see how the NHL will handle that.
Thunderstruck said:Simply the NHL trying to make it look better for the players.
In reality, it helps both.
We have no idea if the players accepted the owner's numbers or if they reached some sory of middle ground over their two or so weeks on financial issues.Mr.Hunter74 said:Even though they accepted the owners numbers in the end.
Newsguyone said:The NHL would be absolutely STUPID to pass up the Olympics.
It's just what the league needs to get everyone's attention back on the sport.
Let's face it. Starting while the NFL and their legions of fantasy football players are in full swing makes it tough to get any attention south of the border.
So no one is really going to care about the NHL (except the hardcore fans) until after the superbowl anyway.
The Olympics will be a great launching pad into the stretch drive .
HockeyCritter said:The biggest bump in US interest in hockey after the Olympic games happened in 1980.
HockeyCritter said:I just hope by the 2010 Olympics one of the "big six" is forced to play the earlier rounds . . . . . I want to see how the NHL will handle that.
Most of the MIrcles went on to NHL careers. Jim Craig was a huge draw in his short career.NJD Jester said:And what, exactly, did the NHL have to do with it? You just proved my point.
Hasbro said:Most of the MIrcles went on to NHL careers. Jim Craig was a huge draw in his short career.Originally Posted by NJD Jester
And what, exactly, did the NHL have to do with it? You just proved my point.
Because the idiots (like Wirtz) that rule the NHL are absolutely against Olympic participation, as short-sighted as that is. The Players love taking part, and Bettman himself thinks it's a good idea (remember, it was him to got them in the first place).Cawz said:Can anyone enlighten why the olympic participation issue is considered a PA victory?
"On the Olympic issue, the union appears to have scored a victory, with the league leaning towards participation in the Turin Games next February."
It seems like something the NHL would want (more exposure) and the PA would be against (makes for a more condensed schedule, disrupts the season...)
This was never and issue, IIHF prez has said on more than one occasion that they will treat the '06 games and the '10 games separately ie. they will not use Vancouver as a bargaining chip to get the NHL into Turin.Hasbro said:Alot of it has to do with the location. However I heard the head of the IIHF was going to block NHLer in 2010 if they didn't participate in Turin. And as usual Bettman is a lousy custodian of the game.
This is not an issue any longer as there will be no qualifying round in the Oympics. All teams start at the same time. However, in order to accomodate NHL teams and the travel, the Olympic tournament is really really compressed. Check out the sked here:HockeyCritter said:How so since the NHL only releases some players for certain countries? Either they all get to go or no one gets to go.
Simple reason here - there has been NO cross-promotion in the '98 and the '02 games. This fact severly hampered attempts by the NHL to capitalize on the games. In '98 the OG were on CBS, and the NHL was on FOX, and a CBS official asked "Why should we promote FOX's property?" In '02, the OG were on NBC, and the NHL was on ABC - same situation.NJD Jester said:What has NHL participation in the Olympics done in the past to increase interest in the league in the United States? There hasn't been a bump in gate or TV ratings after the Olympics; what would be different this time?
To me, the NHL would be better off keeping its players out of The Games and allowing new stars to be born on the international stage.
Finally, a post in this thread worth reading!!DW3 said:Especially since NBC has both the Olympics and the last half of the NHL, which gives them an added promotional boost. It's easier to plug the NHL games if the people can see the product, something like "Tune in next week to see these same guys playing again" or such.
This is all correct, except that Norway didn't get in and Kazakhstan upset Austria in their Qualification group.katodelder said:I believe the Olympic braintrust decided to do away with the qualification round after what Slovakia had to go through at Salt Lake.
The number of countries were reduced from 16 to 12 and all 12 will commence play at the same time now. The top eight IIHF-ranked countries in the world automatically qualified (CAN, CZE, SWE, RUS, USA, FIN, SVK, GER). Italy got in as hosts and three seperate mini-tournaments were held this year to determine the last 3 spots (I believe the Swiss, Norway, and Latvia won but I could be wrong.)
So as long as "the big six" remain in the top 8 of the IIHF's rankings, then I don't think they'll have to worry about qualifying anytime soon.
Last I checked "most" means more than the other, i.e. 13 out of 20kdb209 said:Most? NHL Careers? Hardly.
And I called it shortJim Craig's career was a whole 30 games over 3 yrs.
I fully understood his point. Sure these weren't NHL players YET but the NHL drew a great benefit from 1980.Only 13 played in the NHL (7 did not) and of those, only one (Broten) could maybe be considered a star, and maybe 5 more decent NHL players (Christian, Johnson, Ramsey, Pavelich, and Morrow).
Name - Seasons GP G A Pts
-Neal Broten - 17 1099 289 634 923
-Dave Christian - 15 1009 340 433 773
-Mark Johnson - 11 669 203 305 508
-Mike Ramsey - 18 1070 79 266 345
-Mark Pavelich - 7 355 137 192 329
-Steve Christoff - 5 248 77 64 141
-Jack O'Callahan - 7 389 27 104 131
-Dave Silk - 7 249 54 59 113
-Rob McClanahan - 5 224 38 63 101
-Ken Morrow - 10 550 17 88 105
-Bill Baker - 3 143 7 25 32
-Jim Craig (G) - 3 yrs - 30 games
-Steve Janaszak (G) - 2 yrs - 3 games
Did not play in NHL:
-Mike Eruzione
-Phil Verchota
-William "Buzz" Schneider
-Eric Strobel
-John Harrington
-Bob Suter
-Mark Wells
And NJD Jester's point, which you completely missed was that the Miracle team were not NHL players at the time - and that's why they are legends today.
I can think of a couple of times they were.Pepper said:Over here being able to present their country in Olympics is quite important for players and I assume that's the same in Sweden & Canada as well, there are some countries (USA, Russia etc) where national team has never been that important.
Except that NHL hockey isn’t Olympic hockey . . . . .DW3 said:Especially since NBC has both the Olympics and the last half of the NHL, which gives them an added promotional boost. It's easier to plug the NHL games if the people can see the product, something like "Tune in next week to see these same guys playing again" or such.
I know - - that's why I mentioned it . . . . . .NJD Jester said:And what, exactly, did the NHL have to do with it? You just proved my point.
Don’t forget the ripple effect . . . . Watching that 1980 team encouraged others to pursue their hockey dream . . . Pat LaFontaine and Mike Modano are two names that jump out as having stated that watching that 1980 made them believe it was possible for them to have NHL careers (I am sure there are much more than that).kdb209 said:<<<snipped>>>
And NJD Jester's point, which you completely missed was that the Miracle team were not NHL players at the time - and that's why they are legends today.
But the NHL drew a great benefit because the sport of hockey got a lot of attention and publicity, not because the players went on to the NHL. If none of the players ever went on to the NHL, the boost the NHL got wouldn't have been much different.Hasbro said:Last I checked "most" means more than the other, i.e. 13 out of 20Quote:
Originally Posted by kdb209
Most? NHL Careers? Hardly.
And I called it shortQuote:
Jim Craig's career was a whole 30 games over 3 yrs.
Quote:
Only 13 played in the NHL (7 did not) and of those, only one (Broten) could maybe be considered a star, and maybe 5 more decent NHL players (Christian, Johnson, Ramsey, Pavelich, and Morrow).
Name - Seasons GP G A Pts
-Neal Broten - 17 1099 289 634 923
-Dave Christian - 15 1009 340 433 773
-Mark Johnson - 11 669 203 305 508
-Mike Ramsey - 18 1070 79 266 345
-Mark Pavelich - 7 355 137 192 329
-Steve Christoff - 5 248 77 64 141
-Jack O'Callahan - 7 389 27 104 131
-Dave Silk - 7 249 54 59 113
-Rob McClanahan - 5 224 38 63 101
-Ken Morrow - 10 550 17 88 105
-Bill Baker - 3 143 7 25 32
-Jim Craig (G) - 3 yrs - 30 games
-Steve Janaszak (G) - 2 yrs - 3 games
Did not play in NHL:
-Mike Eruzione
-Phil Verchota
-William "Buzz" Schneider
-Eric Strobel
-John Harrington
-Bob Suter
-Mark Wells
And NJD Jester's point, which you completely missed was that the Miracle team were not NHL players at the time - and that's why they are legends today.
I fully understood his point. Sure these weren't NHL players YET but the NHL drew a great benefit from 1980.