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[LSCII]

Yeah, and where are the stories of them murdering people or shooting others since that's what the OP I responded to alluded to?

 

[Spooner st]

They didn’t announce themselves and busted down the door and that is when her boyfriend shot at who he thought was breaking in.

It's well documented.

 

[HumBucker]

Canada urged to open its eyes to systemic racism in wake of police violence

You should probably take care of your own house before trying to clean others.

The numbers are clear: black and Indigenous peoples in Canada are disproportionately overrepresented in prisons and jails across the country. As students, they face harsher discipline in schools and are suspended at a higher rate than white students. In Toronto, the country’s largest city, black residents are 20 times more likely to be shot by police.

The RCMP commissioner, Brenda Lucki, told the Globe and Mail on Wednesday: “I think that if systemic racism is meaning that racism is entrenched in our policies and procedures, I would say that we don’t have systemic racism.” On Friday, Lucki clarified her position in a statement. “I did acknowledge that we, like others, have racism in our organization, but I did not say definitively that systemic racism exists in the RCMP. I should have.” Hours later, Rodney Levi of the Metepenagiag Mi’kmaq Nation was shot dead by RCMP officers.

On Thursday, Justin Trudeau contradicted the RCMP chief’s comments, saying it was clear systemic racism was present in the country’s federal police force.

Some argue that Canada’s national police force is itself emblematic of racism.
“The RCMP was not created to protect Indigenous people. It was created to protect white settlers from Indigenous folks – while suppressing our ceremonies and implementing laws that sought to decimate us,” said Brooks Arcand-Paul, a Cree lawyer and executive on the Indigenous Bar Association.
“Even today, the police will always look at Indigenous people and Black folks in our territories as potentially requiring some kind of suppression.”

Not sure who this is aimed at, but nobody is denying that.

 

[jgatie]

They didn’t announce themselves and busted down the door and that is when her boyfriend shot at who he thought was breaking in.

Again, if the door was busted down, why didn't he see they were cops?

Either way, the way the incident is being portrayed in the media seems deliberately short on facts. I personally thought she was a victim of another wrong address raid, given the way it's been portrayed. That is definitely not the case.

 

[Save By Thomas]

Yeah, and where are the stories of them murdering people or shooting others since that's what the OP I responded to alluded to?

Seattle: one teen killed and another injured in shooting in police-free zone

 

[LSCII]

Seattle: one teen killed and another injured in shooting in police-free zone

Yes, but it doesn't identify any of the shooters or who they were affiliated with. Washington and Oregon are both filled with a ton of Alt right militia and far left ANTIFA types. Always has been. It's a weird place. But that guy was pushing his agenda about how BLM were doing the same stuff as what Kyle Rittenhouse did, but I haven't seen any stories like that one at all where it's known and it's easily provable. Some shootings and violence in the CHOP area? Sure. But what I want to see is whom that violence was perpetrated by and who were the victims. Showing me a link where it's a story about a shooting but no details isn't proof that BLM did it or not. And that's not to say it's not possible, but the Rittenhouse stuff is just on a different level, no? Kid has semi automatic rifle illegally. Crosses state lines under the guise of helping. Shoots 3 people, killing 2, and then gets back into his car with his mom, drives home, and sleeps in his own bed.

 

[Alicat]

Again, if the door was busted down, why didn't he see they were cops?

Either way, the way the incident is being portrayed in the media seems deliberately short on facts. I personally thought she was a victim of another wrong address raid, given the way it's been portrayed. That is definitely not the case.

She was the victim of a shoddy no knock warrant. The criminal justice system and the cops are to blame for her death period.

She did not deserve to be murdered in her own home.

 

[Alicat]

This is a great question

 

[Mainehockey33]

I’m happy they banned no knock warrants. What happened to her should have never happened.

This is step 1. Step 2 is to arrest the officer who murdered her.

Who puts 10 bullets into an apartment without announcing themself?

A criminal.

 

[HumBucker]

I don't think anyone expects celebrities or professional athletes to be the ones to solve all our societal ills. That's entirely not the point. All they're doing is using the platforms they have as public personas to bring attention to an issue that many people feel is more important than a professional sports contest.

Saying "I have to work" is also missing the point. You and I are not public personas who can draw the attention of millions of people. If I walk off the job, no one will notice – except my boss.

 

[jgatie]

I don't support Rittenhouse in any way, shape, or form. However, "crossing state lines", while illegal, is being touted as him travelling a long distance on a fully planned mission of some sort. In reality, he travelled 15 miles, which could be a planned mission, or a spur of the moment rash decision. Not defending him, just giving facts.

 

[jgatie]

She was the victim of a shoddy no knock warrant. The criminal justice system and the cops are to blame for her death period.

She did not deserve to be murdered in her own home.

Never said she deserved anything.

 

[Oates2Neely]

The cops are to blame not her and not her boyfriend.

I’m done. Victim blaming is disgusting.

He (Walker) is not a victim. He is a criminal.

 

[Bocephus86]

Well, that's why I said 'virtually no one is going to change their opinion' not 'absolutely, 100% of the people will not change their opinion'. Of course there are a small percentage of people out there who are weak minded, can't think for themselves and are easily swayed by public pressure/opinion.

I'm sorry I know this was a few pages ago but are you serious with this statement? I was always taught that a person should listen to, digest, and analyze new information. By doing this, a person is able to form a more solid opinion on a particular subject and, in some cases, change their opinion entirely. Learning, wisdom, personal growth - these are GOOD things. The idea that learning new information, or being presented a world view you hadn't considered before, and changing your belief is somehow a BAD thing is flabbergasting.

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

Yes, but it doesn't identify any of the shooters or who they were affiliated with. Washington and Oregon are both filled with a ton of Alt right militia and far left ANTIFA types. Always has been. It's a weird place. But that guy was pushing his agenda about how BLM were doing the same stuff as what Kyle Rittenhouse did, but I haven't seen any stories like that one at all where it's known and it's easily provable. Some shootings and violence in the CHOP area? Sure. But what I want to see is whom that violence was perpetrated by and who were the victims. Showing me a link where it's a story about a shooting but no details isn't proof that BLM did it or not. And that's not to say it's not possible, but the Rittenhouse stuff is just on a different level, no? Kid has semi automatic rifle illegally. Crosses state lines under the guise of helping. Shoots 3 people, killing 2, and then gets back into his car with his mom, drives home, and sleeps in his own bed.

I think I heard that the family of the teenager who was killed in CHOP has brought a $3 BILLION wrongful death suit against the City of Seattle. If people are honest, I would bet that many here supported that takeover. It tragically points out that anarchy, burning, looting, destruction leads to nothing positive. When I moved to DC nearly 30 years ago, there were MANY burned out blocks from the 1968 civil rights riots which were still there 25 years later. And they stayed that way for another 15 additional years. Violence and destruction solve nothing, no matter the underlying reasons.

 

[Alicat]

I don't support Rittenhouse in any way, shape, or form. However, "crossing state lines", while illegal, is being touted as him travelling a long distance on a fully planned mission of some sort. In reality, he travelled 15 miles, which could be a planned mission, or a spur of the moment rash decision. Not defending him, just giving facts.

There are reports that not only did his mom drive him (this has been confirmed) but she was also in Kenosha that night. I am trying to find a credible outlet to confirm that his mom was in Kenosha.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I don't support Rittenhouse in any way, shape, or form. However, "crossing state lines", while illegal, is being touted as him travelling a long distance on a fully planned mission of some sort. In reality, he travelled 15 miles, which could be a planned mission, or a spur of the moment rash decision. Not defending him, just giving facts.

Let’s not pretend like we all don't have a few Facebook friends we went to high school with that post memes everyday about killing protesters. This kid acted on what a lot of people are thinking right now.

 

[Alicat]

Never said she deserved anything.

It sure sounded like it but thank you for clarifying

 

[LSCII]

I don't support Rittenhouse in any way, shape, or form. However, "crossing state lines", while illegal, is being touted as him travelling a long distance on a fully planned mission of some sort. In reality, he travelled 15 miles, which could be a planned mission, or a spur of the moment rash decision. Not defending him, just giving facts.

Sure, that's accurate. But even if he crossed state lines by a single block carrying an illegal for him to own weapon, it's still a federal crime. The fact that his town is close doesn't change it at all. But you're correct in that it's not like he traveled a great distance to get there.

 

[jgatie]

Let’s not pretend like we all don't have a few Facebook friends we went to high school with that post memes everyday about killing protesters. This kid acted on what a lot of people are thinking right now.

Are you contesting the fact that I 100% do not support him in any way, or contesting the fact that his travel across state lines was only 15 miles? Because if it's neither, I don't understand your problem with my post.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I own guns. I don’t like to see looting and riots. However, that doesn’t mean I’m going to drive down to the local car dealership and patrol armed and ready to engage looters.

Open carry is a wild law. I also wouldn’t be threatening and chasing a man who’s armed with an AR-15. Those people need hobbies. Both sides.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Are you contesting the fact that I 100% do not support him in any way, or contesting the fact that his travel across state lines was only 15 miles? Because if it's neither, I don't understand your problem with my post.

I’m contesting the fact that you said it might not have been premeditated because he didn’t travel hundreds of miles to get there.

 

[LSCII]

Are you contesting the fact that I 100% do not support him in any way, or contesting the fact that his travel across state lines was only 15 miles? Because if it's neither, I don't understand your problem with my post.

Just a guess, but I'd say he's contesting the motivations of Mr. Rittenhouse. It's fine to say he went there with a med kit and to help protect, but given how it played out, I think it's fair to second guess his intentions behind going.

 

[Save By Thomas]

I'm sorry I know this was a few pages ago but are you serious with this statement? I was always taught that a person should listen to, digest, and analyze new information. By doing this, a person is able to form a more solid opinion on a particular subject and, in some cases, change their opinion entirely. Learning, wisdom, personal growth - these are GOOD things. The idea that learning new information, or being presented a world view you hadn't considered before, and changing your belief is somehow a BAD thing is flabbergasting.

Uh, yeah, I'm serious. I've been 'presented a world view you (I) hadn't considered before' (except I had considered that view) and have absolutely, with zero reservations, rejected it. I'm pushing 50 years old, my 'world view' wasn't formed overnight.

 

[jgatie]

Sure, that's accurate. But even if he crossed state lines by a single block carrying an illegal for him to own weapon, it's still a federal crime. The fact that his town is close doesn't change it at all. But you're correct in that it's not like he traveled a great distance to get there.

I stated in my post it is still illegal. However, I like to clarify things, especially when the facts are a clarification of an oft cited statement that can be misconstrued.

On the other hand, the kid is a wannabe, and should be in jail for a long time.