NHL to Vegas part IV: Up to the BoG now (Expansion bid submitted)

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BattleBorn

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If that's the case it makes it even more likely in my opinion.

Let's set up a scenario where there is no current debt, just a franchise that loses $30MM/year for the foreseeable future. If the NHL is in a position to write off those losses, it takes 16.6 years for eliminating the situation and losses to the individual teams to make more sense than taking a lump expansion fee.

Add in the fact that the purchaser would likely clear $300MM worth of clouds (and money the league is likely on the hook for) over the franchise as part of the purchase and it makes sense a whole lot sooner. You clear $10.344MM of potential liabilities off each teams books in one fell swoop and in that case it makes more sense to sell (or force a sale) after 6-7 years.

Expansion:
$500MM/30 = $16.666MM per team in expansion fees once.

Sale:
$10.344/29 One time reduction in current liability.
~$1MM/year in potential per team liability for continuing operations in Glendale.
6-7 years.

Plus, after the clouds are lifted debt wise for the sale, teams still get relocation fees (likely at a more reasonable $150MM or so) and also raise the valuation of a franchise.

$150MM/29 $5.172MM.

Total Franchise Value/Sale Price after debt is paid and fees = $450MM. Makes even more sense with $200MM relocation fees to get to $500MM

It literally makes more sense to move the team after two years using these figures. Plus, you get to the $500MM valuation for a bottom franchise and set the future up for expansion to Seattle, Toronto, QC.

Makes a whole lot more sense than expanding and hoping for a relocation, especially when the relocation candidates like Portland seem to be bargain shopping.
 

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Makes a whole lot more sense than expanding and hoping for a relocation, especially when the relocation candidates like Portland seem to be bargain shopping.

Oh yeah, and nice job laying out the case for it BB. HOWEVER...... this is the NHL were talking about here. :laugh:
 

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Oh yeah, and nice job laying out the case for it BB. HOWEVER...... ]this is the NHL were talking about here. :laugh:

I've got a feeling it's already done.

I'm not going to be the happiest camper if it comes to pass, but it makes way too much sense for it not to happen. Outside of divisional alignment, QC probably actually makes more sense as a relocation candidate but...
this is the NHL were talking about here. :laugh:
 

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I took a pic of it a couple of days ago. They are building this arena very fast from what I saw when I was there in April. Very exciting .
 

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I've been wondering what those pylon things they added to the roof are for since they added them.

They're not in any of the renderings and they don't appear to be part of the construction from what I've seen in the timelapses.

I'm holding my breath for game night spotlights or some laser light show. :laugh:
 

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I've been wondering what those pylon things they added to the roof are for since they added them.

They're not in any of the renderings and they don't appear to be part of the construction from what I've seen in the timelapses.

I'm holding my breath for game night spotlights or some laser light show. :laugh:

Doubt you'll see lasers. The Rio had a laser show on its tower years ago until the FAA had it shut down because pilots going in and out of McCarran were complaining.
 

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Doubt you'll see lasers. The Rio had a laser show on its tower years ago until the FAA had it shut down because pilots going in and out of McCarran were complaining.

When I was a kid the LV Hilton had a green laser that shot all the way from their place to the northern mountains at maybe 150 feet above ground level.

That was completely useless and awesome. :laugh:
 

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When I was a kid the LV Hilton had a green laser that shot all the way from their place to the northern mountains at maybe 150 feet above ground level.

That was completely useless and awesome. :laugh:

Oh yeah... while in college I used to make the drive from San Luis Obispo (CA) to LV and coming in from the south on the I-15 you could see the glow of the lasers for miles.
 

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So, would it be a bad idea to pick up some season tix, or wait a bit before dropping the coin? I heard recently one of the team name ideas would be "The Luckies".
 

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So, would it be a bad idea to pick up some season tix, or wait a bit before dropping the coin? I heard recently one of the team name ideas would be "The Luckies".

Honestly, you should get on the list.

It's not expensive (I think only $100) and you won't lose your money, you will have the option, once NHL finally decides it's moving forward with the plan, to buy or quit.
 

BattleBorn

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Honestly, you should get on the list.

It's not expensive (I think only $100) and you won't lose your money, you will have the option, once NHL finally decides it's moving forward with the plan, to buy or quit.

Cheapy sections sold out a few months ago.

Pretty sure $300/seat is the lowest deposit now.
 

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UFC to get the naming rights to the new arena?

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Re...g-Naming-Rights-for-New-Las-Vegas-Arena-94761

I think this would be a first that a sports league/promotion as naming rights to a building.

If it happens, then it will be puck drop at the Octagon!

Potentially a very nice revenue stream for arena owner.

They get some cash to put out the UFC name on the building, and they get some more cash to hold many future UFC events in the arena itself.
 

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"UFC Arena" or a variation of that name is a safe option. I can't imagine the casino competitors being to happy to send customers to the "MGM Arena" or an arena named for another competitor. "Justin Beiber will be performing at the UFC Arena" sounds interesting until you realize he will be singing and not getting his ass kicked.
 

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"UFC Arena" or a variation of that name is a safe option. I can't imagine the casino competitors being to happy to send customers to the "MGM Arena" or an arena named for another competitor. "Justin Beiber will be performing at the UFC Arena" sounds interesting until you realize he will be singing and not getting his ass kicked.


It isn't surprising either since MGM has been pushing for at least 7 cards per year from the UFC at the new arena. And they want the 3 big ones as well. New Years, Super Bowl, and Fourth of July.
 

BattleBorn

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It isn't surprising either since MGM has been pushing for at least 7 cards per year from the UFC at the new arena. And they want the 3 big ones as well. New Years, Super Bowl, and Fourth of July.

I've been thinking about the UFC naming thing, and I just don't see it happening. There's way too much Vegas politics involved for the MGM to put the UFC name on the arena.

The local and national unions are really hard up against the UFC and their owners (who also own a locals casino chain in Las Vegas) due to the aforementioned hotel chain having a non-unionized staff. The UFC can't even have events in the State of New York due to the union's power in that state and the battle with the UFC/Station Casinos vs the unions.

The Culinary Union carries a lot of weight in this town, and especially with MGM Resorts, I just can't see the powers that exist within the union letting a "UFC Arena at The Park" happen. I also don't see MGM entering that battle for a couple extra bucks over what another outfit would offer for naming rights.

UFC events at local arenas are okay because they bring in money and work for the union members, but an outright endorsement of the business of the UFC by the Arena/MGM just seems like it would take a lot more political capital than it's worth.

Plus, we don't really have arenas here with naming rights attached to them, and I'm sure the opportunity has presented itself. Having major events at the "MGM Grand Garden" is amazing advertising for the MGM Grand. If they're going to sell the rights, I imagine they sell them to themselves (to make AEG happy) or take a major brand for a major amount of money without the potential drama associated.
 
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Mightygoose

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Nothing overly earth-shaking here. Just a Vegas perspective that no expansion vote will be held at the BoG meetings next month incl. a quote from Daly to the LV R-J

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/hockey-vegas/nhl-wont-vote-december-las-vegas-expansion-team

The agenda for the Dec. 7-8 meeting will be set the week before. If the owners decide to wait, which appears to be the case, the next opportunity to meet and possibly vote on expansion would be in late January when the NHL holds its All-Star Weekend in Nashville.

They usually have a small meeting on the Saturday which would be Jan. 30. Let's see if the i's are dotted and t's crossed by then.
 

BattleBorn

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Nothing overly earth-shaking here. Just a Vegas perspective that no expansion vote will be held at the BoG meetings next month incl. a quote from Daly to the LV R-J

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/hockey-vegas/nhl-wont-vote-december-las-vegas-expansion-team



They usually have a small meeting on the Saturday which would be Jan. 30. Let's see if the i's are dotted and t's crossed by then.

I can't think of a reason to wait if expansion is going to happen. Anyone else?

Either waiting for something to shake out or to convince more governors.
 

BattleBorn

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No, its absurd, ridiculous BB. Get it on for October 2016 already. Just nonsense these delays.

You know my stance. Foley has an MOU to purchase the Coyotes if they don't have a plan by X date.

I just wonder what the date is.
 
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