NHL Expansion

[LegionOfDoom91]

It’s honestly way too early to even worry about this.

 

[Sawdalite]

I only disagree with the protection of JVR. Hextall May have made a really smart move. It’s uncommon that a high FA with that type of term and AAV doesn’t get some type of NMC/NTC restricting movement.

I have a feeling that come time of the ED... JVR with be the James Neal 2.0 of that draft. Good player with good metrics and production. The flyers won’t have to package much to JVR to seattle to get them to take him. At that time prospects like Frost, Ratcliffe, Allison, Rubtsov, and maybe 1 more may be in the NHL and he’ll be expendable. If not- he’s still a good guy to keep.... I think Hextall made a really smart move if he does what I think he’d be doing.

Going by his track record, Hextall does not give out Movement Clauses... IIRC the ones on the Roster are Homer leftovers... I believe this merely gives him the Control and is no indication of future Roster decisions... he has flexibility to keep or move Players at his call rather than Players... and in the case of Expansion Draft Eligibility, Hextall again has full discretion on what goes down on the Flyers part without having his hands tied as to protect or not.

When the time of the Expansion Draft arrives, JvR's play and worth will determine Hexy's hand.

 

[Psuhockey]

Im baffled that people are talking about JVR being expendable in expansion in 2 years before hes played a game of his new 5 year deal.

Such a weird fanbase.

I don’t think he or Voracek are expendable but have doubts that Seattle would take their contracts. So it’s a calculated risk that Seattle would take another player instead.

This is all based on the assumption that Sanheim and Myers will develop into top 4 or better defensemen. If that is the case, they have way more value to the organization that Voracek or JVR based on the current prospect pool. There are possible top 6 forward prospects coming by then. As of now, there is no one in the prospect pool that looks like a top 4 defenseman on the level of Sanheim and Myers. Things can change though in 2 years.

 

[CS]

I don’t think he or Voracek are expendable but have doubts that Seattle would take their contracts. So it’s a calculated risk that Seattle would take another player instead.

Seattle would have to reach the floor somehow.

It’s honestly way too early to even worry about this.

Ah the offseason...

 

[Sawdalite]

I don’t think he or Voracek are expendable but have doubts that Seattle would take their contracts. So it’s a calculated risk that Seattle would take another player instead.

This is all based on the assumption that Sanheim and Myers will develop into top 4 or better defensemen. If that is the case, they have way more value to the organization that Voracek or JVR based on the current prospect pool. There are possible top 6 forward prospects coming by then. As of now, there is no one in the prospect pool that looks like a top 4 defenseman on the level of Sanheim and Myers. Things can change though in 2 years.

Please keep in mind that JvR and Voracek are Controlled Contracts... as such, they're Assets... Seattle could select either one and flip them to a Team that values and could use them more for multiple Assets for their new System.

Also remember that the Draft is a One-One-Team one where Seattle can figure out ahead of selecting what all their options are... and what they'll need... and discuss pissible Trades with other GMs... They maybe fine with unprotected D-men Prisects and want some controlled proven Veteran Assets.

Hexy this go around will need to cover all basis in his decision... with more Players at risk... and im certain tgat they will consider all this... and a lot more.

 

[deadhead]

Hextall also has the option of trading Sanheim or Ghost (if Myers arrives, he's untouchable because he's a unicorn, far easier to find an undersized mobile offensive LHD) before the draft to a team that would protect them, in turn for an exempt top defensive prospect and some draft picks.

Two years is a long time, and with the depth Ron has built, he'll have multiple options - but we will lose a good player.

 

[Rebels57]

It is my understanding that if Frost plays in the NHL this year, he is still exempt from expansion eligibility in both 2020 and 2021.

18-19 - 19 years old (does not count towards expansion)
19-20 - 20 years old (1 pro season)

Summer 2020 - Ineligible for expansion

20-21 - 21 years old (2nd pro season)

Summer 2021 - Ineligible for expansion

Is this correct? He would need to log more than 2 pro seasons after turning 20 years old to be expansion eligible.

 

[Curufinwe]

Regardless of age, playing 10 or more NHL games in a season counts as one pro season, so Frost would be eligible for a 2021 expansion draft if he makes the Flyers in 18-19. Just as Patrick is eligible for the 2020 expansion draft.

An example from the last ED is that ,Pastrnak was eligible for the 2017 ED after these three pro seasons:

18 years old: 46 NHL games, 25 AHL games
19 years old: 51 NHL games, 3 AHL games
20 years old: 75 NHL games

David Pastrnak - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Vegas Expansion Draft - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[Rebels57]

Regardless of age, playing 10 or more NHL games in a season counts as one pro season, so Frost would be eligible for a 2021 expansion draft if he makes the Flyers in 18-19. Just as Patrick is eligible for the 2020 expansion draft.

An example from the last ED is that ,Pastrnak was eligible for the 2017 ED after these three pro seasons:

18 years old: 46 NHL games, 25 AHL games
19 years old: 51 NHL games, 3 AHL games
20 years old: 75 NHL games

David Pastrnak - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Vegas Expansion Draft - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Ahhh so the NHL games supercedes the age stipulation, which is why Hagg was not eligible in 2017 but Pastrnak was. I get it now.

 

[Curufinwe]

To make it even more confusing, the Islanders had to protect Ryan Pulock (who was drafted in 2013 like Hagg) because his first AHL season counted as a pro season because he's an October birthday.

Ryan Pulock - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[pit]

Ahhh so the NHL games supercedes the age stipulation, which is why Hagg was not eligible in 2017 but Pastrnak was. I get it now.

AHL seasons for players under the age of 20 did not count towards eligibility, hence not needing to protect Hagg.

 

[PALE PWNR]

lets just get around it by playing one of our dmen at fwd for a year like Burns in SJ

Travis we like you on D but we're going to need you to play LW on a line with Patrick or Frost for a year, thanks.

Or give Morin the Pronger Byfuglien treatment and use him as a net front presence on the PP and claim hes been a fwd all year and thats how we value him as.

Positions in hockey are so obscure, besides goalie. Theres no rule that applies to a fwd that doesnt apply to a defensemen and there is no declaration of position or problem with subbing a player at forward to take a shift on D or vice versa. Theres literally 2 times that positions matter in the NHL. Awards and Expansion draft thats it. What if some hip new coach decided that he has a revolutionary way to play where you use 3 defensemen on the ice at all times or 4 forwards at all times, and the team goes out and rosters 3 defensemen and 15 forwards. or 9 defensemen and 9 forwards. I find it weird that the expansion draft has criteria that define a player as fwd or D when it really does not matter at all throughout the entire year who plays where. Theres literally a position that no longer exists anymore because teams felt it wasn't the best way to play anymore in the Rover.

 

[nuclear reactor]

wrong

 

[Lord Defect]

What if we can resign Simmonds to a three year, overplayed deal, no NMC, and dangle him out for the Seattle Amazon’s(amazon is setting up shop there now)?
We get two more years with Simmonds, and might not need to worry so much about the ED

 

[nuclear reactor]

If Myers or Sanheim are top 4 defensemen, Seattle isn't taking Simmonds over them, almost certainly.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hagg’s 2014-15 season didn’t count toward the draft because he was only 19 playing in the AHL so that year slid. That doesn’t happen if a teenager plays in the NHL. The player’s age is defined by their age on September 15. However if the player is 19 on September 15 and turns 20 before the end of the calendar year, the contract does not slide. That’s what happened to Pulock.

Pulock's contract did slide in 14-15 because his ELC signing age was 18, but that year still counted for expansion draft purposes.

Ryan Pulock - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year.

An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide..

 

[Freddy The Fog]

This is depressing. Tired of losing players just to dilute the talent pool league wide. F# NHL.