GDT: NHL Draft Day 2 GDT

[Gurglesons]

@Sidney the Kidney

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

No cause we got a better GM

I sure hope so. Much as I complain sometimes I'm not going to take keeping Granlund as some sort of definitive waving of the white flag. But it would sure be disappointing.

 

[tom_servo]

Hextalls final nail in the coffin. Not even 50%, just straight up 5M per. I didn't mind Hextall but for that trade I am glad he was terminated.

And for a second rounder? If we got offered a second just a take him I'd think long about it

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Hell yeah. Love to hear that.

 

[66-30-33]

And for a second rounder? If we got offered a second just a take him I'd think long about it

I hope that Kalan Lind becomes elite so we can talk about how we traded Kalan Lind for Granlund.

 

[Peat]

edit: Nm, someone deleted their tweet

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

edit: Nm, someone deleted their tweet

lol Swedes and Finns, man.

 

[tom_servo]

I sure hope so. Much as I complain sometimes I'm not going to take keeping Granlund as some sort of definitive waving of the white flag. But it would sure be disappointing.

If you're simply referring to another season of Granlund, yeah that's possible. May be unwise to throw good money after bad. Really just depends. I'm sure the right team could squeeze some juice out of him but that cap hit is a killer. I would just buy him out.

I thought you were imagining a similar trade on the horizon, which I pray does not occur.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If you're simply referring to another season of Granlund, yeah that's possible. May be unwise to throw good money after bad. Really just depends. I'm sure the right team could squeeze some juice out of him but that cap hit is a killer. I would just buy him out.

I thought you were imagining a similar trade on the horizon, which I pray does not occur.

Yeah sorry I wasn't very clear, there. I don't see Dubas doing anything that stupid. Or most league GMs.

I would just buy him out, too. But the clock is ticking.

 

[mrzeigler]

Would be nice if we signed one or two of the new FAs who are being mentioned in the "best undrafted" conversations that are taking place now. But with Sully's rep with young players, I'm not holding my breath.

Still, Dubas can play the "There's a new sheriff in town" card PLUS the "we have a sh***y prospects pool" to try to convince them that there is real opportunity in this organization.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Would be nice if we signed one or two of the new FAs who are being mentioned in the "best undrafted" conversations that are taking place now. But with Sully's rep with young players, I'm not holding my breath.

Still, Dubas can play the "There's a new sheriff in town" card PLUS the "we have a sh***y prospects pool" to try to convince them that there is real opportunity in this organization.

The new narrative is that Sullivan finally has a GM that communicates with him so now he can get serious.

Which definitely doesn't sound like an excuse after rolling through two GMs and a multitude of rosters that he for sure had zero input on.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The new narrative is that Sullivan finally has a GM that communicates with him so now he can get serious.

Which definitely doesn't sound like an excuse after rolling through two GMs and a multitude of rosters that he for sure had zero input on.

How cool would it be if it turned out to be true, though? Sullivan and Dubas working in tandem, focused, coherent ideas.

I mean, it's entirely bullshit and Sullivan is an egomaniac, but Hextall was also a total moron so there's like the tiniest bit of light peeking through the crack in the door here.

 

[JTG]

I don't follow draft prospects almost at all any longer. It sort of leaves me longing for draft eligible player age to be 20 instead of 18. Take some of the long game out of this process and make it easier to follow and a shorter time frame for them to be NHLers.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

How cool would it be if it turned out to be true, though? Sullivan and Dubas working in tandem, focused, coherent ideas.

I mean, it's entirely bullshit and Sullivan is an egomaniac, but Hextall was also a total moron so there's like the tiniest bit of light peeking through the crack in the door here.

There's still a good coach in there somewhere. So that would indeed be awesome.

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[Peat]

I don't follow draft prospects almost at all any longer. It sort of leaves me longing for draft eligible player age to be 20 instead of 18. Take some of the long game out of this process and make it easier to follow and a shorter time frame for them to be NHLers.

Quadruple like.




Also this org just hasn't targeted draft eligible CHL players for ELCs at all since Rutherford went after Bellerive and D'Orio. Which I have to say looking around the league, doesn't appear to be missing out on a big resource. Not aware of many success stories there.

The org's also turned just under 33% of its undrafted NCAA signings into 100 game NHLers since Sully took over, which will shortly be just over once DOC racks up his 100th this season, so not sure why we'd be nervous of unheralded youngsters there.

 

[Peat]

Looking through the prospect threads, I feel like if you'd told people in 2021 that the Pens would pick Yager and Jarventie in 2023, they'd assume the Pens had absolutely cratered.

 

[Gurglesons]

There's still a good coach in there somewhere. So that would indeed be awesome.

The issue with Dubas is loyalty.

That being said if we give Sullivan a good roster and he still f***s it up maybe that changes.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Yeah, Yager had a lukewarm season for his draft year but there's apparently been discussion of him being a top-5 talent for a few years. People seem to think his drop off in production could be a result of him refining other areas of his game too. /shrug

We'll see if he can sort himself out and develop into a gem or not. The talent seems to be there, particularly in the shot. Also, personally, would rather a guy be a really smart player as opposed to simply being a fast player, or big player.

 

[Ryder71]

What a sickening trade Granlund was. Just pure sabotage.

This might come off as ironic, but I don't see that as cataclysmic as the majority here.

@Sidney the Kidney

Neat, except his 1st and 3rd round picks don't suggest that.

Looking through the prospect threads, I feel like if you'd told people in 2021 that the Pens would pick Yager and Jarventie in 2023, they'd assume the Pens had absolutely cratered.

Pretty much did, missed the playoffs.

 

[Peat]

I am 100% reading too much into this but the way he started with the player attributes for the first three then started with "he plays in Ottawa" for Cooper Foster screams "not my pick"

(tbf you can also see his memory getting overworked as he goes through the list)

 

[tom_servo]

This might come off as ironic, but I don't see that as cataclysmic as the majority here.

Why not?

 

[SEALBound]

Would be nice if we signed one or two of the new FAs who are being mentioned in the "best undrafted" conversations that are taking place now. But with Sully's rep with young players, I'm not holding my breath.

Still, Dubas can play the "There's a new sheriff in town" card PLUS the "we have a sh***y prospects pool" to try to convince them that there is real opportunity in this organization.

I think Sullivan and the Penguins have a pretty decent reputation for bringing in young players, especially unsigned/undrafted UFAs. ZAR, DOC, Sheary, Marino to an extent even though he was a 6th...

I mean, we've done pretty well on that front compared to other teams. We haven't got the Vesey, Hayes, or Panarin yet but I don't see us as having the reputation as a place (or coach/org) to avoid.

That said, I do agree with your second line there. Pointing to a weak prospect pool is advantageous. It's why Will Butcher signed with the Devils.

 

[Ryder71]

Why not?

I guess I don't see Granlund being here or not as the difference between this team winning or losing. I just don't see us as competitive against the better teams in the league. Not thrilled about us giving up a 2hd rounder however.