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Now that Crosby has 3 trophys, when taking a picture of him with them he should put 2 fingers at his mouth with his tongue sticking out in between the 2 fingers.
GDT: NHL Awards Show -- Sid Wins Hart Trophy and Ted Lindsay Award
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TheGoldenJet
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Vujtek
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Only the 4th player in the history to achieve that for more than once. The other three before him? Gretzky, Lemieux and Lafleur.
TheGoldenJet
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You betcha! Sid now has 7 major individual NHL awards, and another shared one thrown in to boot.
Geno is a lock as well with 6.
Beau Knows
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Yeah Forsberg got in on his first year and Crosby's career accomplishments easily trump his. A couple more awards and he will have the 2nd best trophy case in Penguins history.
Only the 4th player in the history to achieve that for more than once. The other three before him? Gretzky, Lemieux and Lafleur.
I have to bring this up, and I cannot believe this is not discussed more.....but the biggest Hart injustice I ever saw was Gretzky over Lemieux in 1989. Just criminally insane.
Gretzky beat Mario, and it wasn't close.
99's Stats that season: 54 Goals 114 assists and 168 points. He was a +15
66's Stats that season: 85 Goals, 114 assists and 199 points. He was a +41
Gretzky played with fellow HOFer Jari Kurri, and either HOFer Mark Messier or Glenn Anderson (who was an All Star). Mario played with Robbie Brown and Bob Errey.
Most egregious injustice ever. Gretzky got 40 1st place votes to Mario's 18. How was this possible. The Pens even had a better regular season, as Mario led the Pens to their 1st playoff appearance in like 8 years, and they had more points than the Oilers. That is how biased the media was then towards Wayne Gretzky.
All but 3 Hart Trophy winners who are eligible are in the Hall of Fame.
Eric Lindros, Al Rollins and Tommy Anderson.
Lindros would have been a shoe in if injuries didn't cut his career short and still likely will get in. The other two, I never heard of.
Active players who have won a Hart but aren't HOF shoe ins are: Corey Perry, Martin St Louis and Jose Theodore. Perry still has a lot of career left, St Louis playing in NYC will raise his profile. No way Theodore gets in.
So Hart Trophy winners are likely locks. Multiple Hart winners are 1st ballot shoe ins.
ColePens
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Sid wins the triple!
It is a good day in Penguins land.
And this is why I hate personal awards more than anything. I would rather Sid never win another award the rest of his life and we win two more Cups
... but i digress.
bathroomSTAAL
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Okay, that deal isn't actually on the table though. So there's no reason to hate them.And this is why I hate personal awards more than anything. I would rather Sid never win another award the rest of his life and we win two more Cups
... but i digress.
Jaded-Fan
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And this is why I hate personal awards more than anything. I would rather Sid never win another award the rest of his life and we win two more Cups
... but i digress.
Yeah, And Sid's winning doesn't change my opinion that these awards are meaningless because of the morons who vote for them. I am talking Hart that the writers vote on.
IcedCapp
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I'm pretty sure everyone - including Sid - would trade his awards for another Cup. But I don't see why him winning, and us celebrating him and his awards, is a bad thing.
Like it or not, NHL legacies are built/defined by awards. That Crosby has been robbed of his fair share certainly delegitimizes the award/legacy process in many people's eyes (including my own), but that's not Sid's fault. He had a great (regular season). He was healthy for the first time in forever. We got to watch the best player in the world do great things.
That's cause for celebration. I'm happy for him. Congrats.
Now, go win a Cup, you loser.
Like it or not, NHL legacies are built/defined by awards. That Crosby has been robbed of his fair share certainly delegitimizes the award/legacy process in many people's eyes (including my own), but that's not Sid's fault. He had a great (regular season). He was healthy for the first time in forever. We got to watch the best player in the world do great things.
That's cause for celebration. I'm happy for him. Congrats.
Now, go win a Cup, you loser.
Old Gregg
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Hopefully now after his first full season in what seems like forever, Crosby can have another full season and a long playoff.
Hopefully this quote from Crosby comes true. It will make next season exciting.
it has been talked about here on HFB ad nauseam...
on-topic: congrats to Sid, but I'd like some more playoff success instead of the regular season accolades...
Sidney the Kidney
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You're getting a lot of your facts wrong above. First off, Gretzky won the year he was traded to Los Angeles. So he didn't have Kurri, Messier, or Anderson on his club. Second, the Kings finished second in the conference to Calgary, and had more points than the Pens.
Note: I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your overall point. I was surprised Lemieux didn't win. But if you're going to go on a rant, you should probably be accurate with the details in your rant.
Beau Knows
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Sid now sits 7th all-time in normalized Hart trophy shares:
1 Wayne Gretzky 901
2 Gordie Howe 605
3 Mario Lemieux 486
4 Jaromir Jagr 399
5 Bobby Orr 349
6 A Ovechkin 326
7 Sidney Crosby 306
-A unanimous vote (100%) is worth 100 points.
Source: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=545921&page=2
1 Wayne Gretzky 901
2 Gordie Howe 605
3 Mario Lemieux 486
4 Jaromir Jagr 399
5 Bobby Orr 349
6 A Ovechkin 326
7 Sidney Crosby 306
-A unanimous vote (100%) is worth 100 points.
Source: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=545921&page=2
Vegeta
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I still think it is going to be hard for Sid to trump Jagr's trophy case.
Jagr's accolades as a Penguin:
2x Stanley Cup
5x Art Ross
3x Lester B Pearson
1x Hart (and 3x Hart Runner Up)
6x All-Star Fist Team
1x AllStar Second Team
Beau Knows
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Well Crosby has surpassed him in Harts and tied him in Lindsays. Jagr has won 9 major trophies, Crosby has won 8.
Sorry, my mistake, I thought it was the year after he was traded to LA. Still.......the numbers were overwhelming in favor of Lemieux.
I am using this to try and dispel the supposed Sid bias like this is something new. #99 was by far, the most hyped and pedestaled hockey player, whether he earned it or not.
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Beau Knows
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True, I didn't even think about that, so they both have 8 individual awards as Penguins. Crosby is 310 points as a Penguins behind Jagr in 256 fewer games (1.21ppg to tie). So I could easily see Crosby being regarded as the 2nd most accomplished Penguin in a few years.
Sidney the Kidney
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Jagr's only got him in Art Ross trophies. And as long as Sid stays healthy, I think he could equal or surpass Jagr by the time he's 30 or 31.
With regards to the all-star teams, IMO, and this is no slight on Jagr's ability, it's a lot easier to get named to an all-star team at wing than at center. I mean, Chris Kunitz got named as a first team all-star last year at wing. When has a player of Kunitz' caliber ever been named to first team all star center?
Darth Vitale
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All-Star stuff doesn't count for squat. Especially these days the way the players are picked (and ommitted). It's not even worth bringing up. The first four definitely are. He should get a Lady Byng too for not punching anyone in the nuts this past season. Frickin haters.
Actually I saw ROR had 2PIM. That was pretty crazy.
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