OT: NHL 16 Leafs Rating

[HarrisonFord]

Hockey.

I think you'll change your answer about 2 months into this season

 

[Babcocks Marner]

Eastside Hockey Manager is as good as it gets. Not perfect, but no game will be.

EHM in their beta stage is 100x better of a GM manager type thing then EA's GM Mode ever will be.

I used to play the original EHM, I know for a while the game went into limbo, but a year back I got the erg to play again... I found it was updated, I think in 2012, have there been other updates? Is it current again? Or is McDavid a scrub?

I bought FHM for like $20, seemed reasonable, game looked really good (First hockey manager game in a LONG time) , but it's worse than NHL16, typical pile on players and get who you want, and draft picks are worth INSANE. Basically, you can get ANY player you want with a first, or Two draft picks. I got Price for Bernier and a 3rd.... Subban for Phaneuf and a 5th, Stamkos for a 5th and Lupul.

Like I said, the worst is the draft picks. You will have to sell your soul for a first rounder, or just wait till after the draft, grab the same player, for peanuts.

Like McDavid, could not land 1st OVA with Kessel+1st, yet after McDavid was drafted, picked him up with a 2nd and a 4th.

Drafting and developing is my favorite part, since it's way too easy to build a all star team that wins the cup every year.

 

[Babcocks Marner]

Oh sweet, so I found EHM early access for $16. I had NO IDEA they actually had a new version, can't wait

Was by far, the best game in the late 2000s.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Oh sweet, so I found EHM early access for $16. I had NO IDEA they actually had a new version, can't wait

Was by far, the best game in the late 2000s.

It still has some issues, some irregularities on how the draft is handled later on and some weird scoring results overall, but it's kind of far ahead of FHM and EA.

 

[Szymonmf]

Exactly. It's why I like NBA 2k15 ratings so much. Right now, there are only 4 players above 90 ratings, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul and Tim Duncan. In the NHL trailer, I saw like 15 more with 90 + ratings. If it was up to me, these would be the Leafs ratings.

90 + (Franchise players)
85-89 (Elite Players/Goaltenders)
80-84 (Typical First Liners/Pairings/Starting Goaltenders)
70-79 (Second Liners/Pairings/1B Goaltender)
60-69 (Third Liners/Pairings/Backups)
50-59 (Fourth Liners/Extra Dman/Journeyman Goaltender)
1-49 (Everyone else)

Goaltender:
Jonathan Bernier - 82
James Reimer - 72

Defenseman:
Morgan Rielly - 72
Dion Phaneuf - 80
Jake Gardiner - 75
Roman Polak - 70
Stephen Robidas - 62
Martin Marincin - 60
Matt Hunwick - 55

Forwards:
James Van Riemsdyk - 82
Tyler Bozak - 73
Joffrey Lupul - 75
Nazem Kadri - 78
Nathan Horton - 75
Daniel Winnik - 68
Shawn Matthias - 65
Leo Komarov - 67
Nick Spaling - 61
PA. Parenteau - 70
Richard Panik - 65
Peter Holland - 65

The only problem here is that some people don't like the ratings that low for some players and I can see some changing them to the 80s, anyways.

this is such arbitrary b.s
NBA ratings are so different because an NBA player like Lebron can make a greater impact on the team then someone like Ovechkin or Crosby.
you're comparing apples and rocks

 

[HarryLime]

why is everyone so high?

 

[ForSpareParts*]

why is everyone so high?

I was thinking the exact same thing.

The entire forward group is over 80?

James Van Riemsdyk - 88
Tyler Bozak - 86
Joffrey Lupul - 86
Nazem Kadri - 86
Nathan Horton - 85
Daniel Winnik - 84
Shawn Matthias - 84
Leo Komarov - 83
Nick Spaling - 83
PA. Parenteau - 82
Richard Panik - 82
Peter Holland - 80

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Rielly 87, 2 thumbs up. Phaneuf should be like 82-83

No he shouldn't get serious

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Legit loling at Rielly being an 87. Both Gardiner and Phaneuf are currently better.

I love Gardiner but no

 

[Nithoniniel]

this is such arbitrary b.s
NBA ratings are so different because an NBA player like Lebron can make a greater impact on the team then someone like Ovechkin or Crosby.
you're comparing apples and rocks

Yeah that has pretty much no bearing on the discussion whatsoever.

The only reason to have differentiation in numbers is to illustrate differences between players, making everybody not look the same.

NBA could make Lebron an 85 and the rest an 84 and still make sure he's got a much bigger impact than anyone else. It's just different math needed.

The reason why people dislike the way EA does things with NHL is because of optics, that the fourth line grinders just look barely worse than a solid top six player. Who cares if you have Hagelin or John Scott, the difference (both on ice and statistically) is not big in their skating.

Are you actually arguing that having that little differentiation between almost any players feels accurate?

 

[Beaninfritz]

Ratings are always a joke, in all hockey managers. The whole NHL is basically between a 75-90, which is insane.

It's always SO hard to trade for draft picks, like they are so golden, yet the funny part, no way in hell you get #1 OVA for kessel.... Just wait for #1 OVA to be drafted, and then Kessel will get him.... It's pretty dumb and way too unrealistic still, all manager games are the same.

This is my take on getting picks/team building from NHL 14. I did play 15 for a bit, but didn't care for it too much since there was little to no improvement in be a gm mode. But it probably works the same.

Picks aren't that hard to get in that game. I've broken the be a gm mode so many times it's ridiculous. Just target the bottom 5 teams at the trade deadline. It is tough to get the #1 pick at the draft, since the value skyrockets. So getting to them before the draft is key.

It's always the same thing. Trade off your picks in the first season or two with some of your vets for younger players with much better potential. Suck for a couple of seasons. If you really want to speed up a prospect's progression, put them in a top4/6 spot. They'll be horrid, but I watched Kadri jump about 8 points overall after one season as the 2nd line center. Franson also hit 89 overall due to me putting him on the top pairing. Sign those players to long-term deals (ideally in when they're in the mid-80's, that's the best bang for your buck territory), then boom, their trade value skyrockets. Next thing you know you can 1-for-1 Kadri for Toews. Then as your cap starts getting tight due to a lot of high-end talent making big bucks, just trade off whatever players that want a raise for picks, bring some prospects up, and you'll have 1st round picks coming out the wazoo for years to come. I think I held 4-5 picks in the top 10 for 4 seasons in a row.

It's seriously broken. One game (with all legit trades), my top 6 was
Ovechkin-Stamkos -Kessel
JVR-Toews-Skinner

All players were 90+ ovr.

Can't remember everyone that I had on D for the top 4, but I know Pietrangelo (lol, the blues put him on waivers), Hedman, and Larsson were there. Top pairing was 90+ ovr, and the 2nd pairing was 85+ ovr.
Price was my goalie for a bit, but then he wanted too much money, so I ended up with a high-potential 80something Lehner and 1sts out the wazoo.

You honestly don't need to put much emphasis on drafting. Just bundle picks and players for better players. Somehow, Kulemin, and 3 1sts landed me Ovechkin. Then I traded off a couple of players to the Caps later in the season to get my picks back.

 

[AnomX]

I was thinking the exact same thing.

The entire forward group is over 80?

James Van Riemsdyk - 88
Tyler Bozak - 86
Joffrey Lupul - 86
Nazem Kadri - 86
Nathan Horton - 85
Daniel Winnik - 84
Shawn Matthias - 84
Leo Komarov - 83
Nick Spaling - 83
PA. Parenteau - 82
Richard Panik - 82
Peter Holland - 80

Based off of previous games and my experience with the NHL Franchise these are fair. Bozak may be inflated because I think he would be an 82 playing with anyone else but Kessel. JVR, Kadri, Lupul, all have talent. These ratings are all talent based as opposed to performance based. Any NHL forward will be an 80 rating and up.

80 is fringe NHL meaning guys like holland, panik, Parenteau Komarov are given a pretty fair rating.

Only thing I would really change would be Nylander. The guy deserves at the very least an 80 based purely talent based of his nifty hands.

 

[HarrisonFord]

why is everyone so high?

I might have taken too much cough syrup this morning, but I'm battling a pretty nasty cough

 

[Man Bear Pig]

This years game may be the first one I haven't bought in about a decade. Last years game was so damn awful. EA didn't seem to give a ****.

 

[dubplatepressure]

It still has some issues, some irregularities on how the draft is handled later on and some weird scoring results overall, but it's kind of far ahead of FHM and EA.

Agreed. FHM was absolutely brutal. In the new EHM you can still do crazy things like trade up in the draft and land blue chippers for somewhat negligible costs. Once you get by the draft however it's pretty good, same as it used to be. Still would like to see more in terms of player interaction and development, as well as enhanced coaching features and effects like in Football Manager. As it stands you can hire coaches with different attributes and assign them to train in one of 5 or 6 areas (forwards, defense, tactics, etc) but beyond that... nothing.

I also seem to recall a terribly high rate of back-to-back goals, back-to-back-to-back goals, and extremely late final-2m goals during game sims. Nothing's perfect though, for $16 it was a fun play for hours.

 

[Porn*]

I'm curious as to why some (not necessarily here, but in the EA Board) are flabbergasted that Lupul is an 86.

That's a top 6 forward, which Lupul is. Lupul just gets injured often, which is likely reflected by his durability rating.

People look to much at overalls anyway. It's more about individual statistics.

not only that, but the 86 doesn't explain to you how he's built... i can assure you he's healthy for 25% of the season.

the overall ratings don't tell the whole picture... I enjoy playing with 83's over some 86's just purely based on how their built.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Those lists are missing Arcobello and Beck. Anyone have their Ovr's?

 

[Babcocks Marner]

It still has some issues, some irregularities on how the draft is handled later on and some weird scoring results overall, but it's kind of far ahead of FHM and EA.

Yea, got some issues, but overall, the best by far, and the most realistic. I downloaded the new rosters and I was happy when my scouts reported to me for the draft. 1-McDavid, 2- Eichel, 3 - Marner, put a smile on my face

 

[Rizzy13]

So GM trailer came out and they decided to use Toronto as an example. They released their ratings so I decided to share some of them.


Goaltender:
Jonathan Bernier - 85 85
James Reimer - 84 81

Defenseman:
Morgan Rielly - 87 83
Dion Phaneuf - 86 87
Jake Gardiner - 85 83
Roman Polak - 84 84
Stephen Robidas - 81 79
Martin Marincin - 80 79
Matt Hunwick - 79 79

Forwards:
James Van Riemsdyk - 8886
Tyler Bozak - 86 81
Joffrey Lupul - 86 82
Nazem Kadri - 86 86, I wish he was like 88 lol
Nathan Horton - 85 77
Daniel Winnik - 84 80
Shawn Matthias - 84 81
Leo Komarov - 83 81
Nick Spaling - 83 80
PA. Parenteau - 82 83
Richard Panik - 82 80
Peter Holland - 80 80

Prospect/AHLers:
Sam Carrick - 78
Matt Frattin - 78 79
Connor Brown - 75 72
Peter Granberg - 75
Victor Loov - 73
Frederick Gauthier - 71
Casey Bailey - 70
Ryan Rupert - 70
William Nylander - 69 75
Andreas Johnson - 69
Tom Nilsson - 69
Rinat Valiev - 65
Jesper Lindgren - 65

Added my own ratings for most players in bold.

 

[leafsrock67]

Robidas is too high.

 

[RaskY]

What's the difference between 86 and 83?

Three ratings, I believe.

 

[TMLFAN4LIFE]

Those lists are missing Arcobello and Beck. Anyone have their Ovr's?

How is it even remotely possible that this list has omitted our two best off season acquisitions!?

 

[MastuhNinks]

Nice, I also enjoyed the overrated Leafs in NHL 15. Trading 87 overall Bozak + a 1st 5 years for now or something for a young star

 

[X66]

Nice, I also enjoyed the overrated Leafs in NHL 15. Trading 87 overall Bozak + a 1st 5 years for now or something for a young star

David Clarkson 84
Andrew Raycroft 89

EA has been kind to the Leafs.

 

[AINEC*]

Is EA just trying to be nice to the players by giving just about all of them an 80+ rating? What's the point of even having /100 ratings at this point?

Give the players letter grades and everyone in the game is an A.