News and Notes XX: The off-season is near, lets go Golfing!

[cptjeff]

In tonight's ACC scores, with a final of 20-1, BC beats UNC with the game called after two.

We go down to the BC locker room to interview their goalie after that blowout. "It's real disappointing you know, all these years of being a powerhouse in Hockey East and I let in a goal against a first year program. I'll have to work my ass off to gain coach's confidence back after that."


But no, seriously. The obstacle there isn't the NHL or CHL, it's Title IX. You don't just have to add one of the most expensive sports programs to play with the necessary scholarships and facilities, you have to add the necessary scholarships for a women's sport as well to keep the number balance.

Maybe start keeping football rosters at a nice NFL sized 53 instead of the 100+ of most college programs and you could figure that problem out.

 

[DaveG]

Maybe start keeping football rosters at a nice NFL sized 53 instead of the 100+ of most college programs and you could figure that problem out.

85 is the hard limit.

Not that I disagree with the point, IMHO cutting that to 75 would probably be a good thing for the competitiveness of Div 1 FB as well.

Again though, cutting 10 scholarships from football, still need about 10 more for hockey to add, as well as 10 more for (insert women's sport here), when most athletics programs in the US are operating fairly deep in the red.

 

[cptjeff]

85 for scholarships, but I just looked at the UNC roster and there are around 110 players listed. That's just a joke.

And anyway, I presume the cost angle is why the NHL is looking at subsidizing it, and I bet they'd be open to chipping in towards women's teams as well. I don't know if the scholarships pose much difficulty at gigantic schools like NC State or UNC- the scholarship is just a number on paper, the actual marginal cost of adding a single student is pretty dang small. 40 new students means you hire half of a professor to handle the extra load, it's such a small percentage of the overall student body that you can easily just absorb them in to your existing infrastructure.

The costs are facilities, equipment and travel. Building a hockey arena, in particular, takes a pretty large upfront investment of cash. But it works for both men and women's hockey, and you can share trainers and the like.

 

[DaveG]

A lot of teams like UNC and especially even higher tier programs like Wisconsin, WVU, Texas, etc. get an absolute TON of players on those teams as what they term "preferred walk ons". No (sports) scholarship money but definitely a more lax admission standard, so in a lot of cases kids will choose to walk on to the teams at the bigger schools instead of taking scholarships at the Div II or IAA level, or even in some cases for programs like Texas and Bama, at lower level Div I schools.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

it's overdue, probably

especially for areas that already have nhl teams. the nc state v unc game at pnc last year was actually awesome

 

[BrindAmours Army]

pls no expansion of college sports.

Tuition and mandatory fees are bad enough as it is, and sports should not be paid for by the taxpayer.

 

[DaveG]

pls no expansion of college sports.

Tuition and mandatory fees are bad enough as it is, and sports should not be paid for by the taxpayer.

This is where I come down on it. I'm as huge a college sports fan as it gets, but the number of athletics departments in the country that are self sufficient off what they bring in is minimal. There's about 30 programs that do it, and some of them would surprise you. But some of the biggest offenders in having to bring in major subsidies to break even are in major conferences.

 

[BrindAmours Army]

This is where I come down on it. I'm as huge a college sports fan as it gets, but the number of athletics departments in the country that are self sufficient off what they bring in is minimal. There's about 30 programs that do it, and some of them would surprise you. But some of the biggest offenders in having to bring in major subsidies to break even are in major conferences.

If I recall correctly, for the 14-15 seasons, there were 12 departments that were self-sufficient, not including private schools. Haven't seen the numbers for 15-16 but I assume they are about the same. The rest pay the difference primarily through student fees.

State and UNC paid $5-10 mill through student fees, ECU was $10-15. Some schools use over $25 million.

Es no bueno. Sucks for the taxpayer and self-funding students as they are footing the bill, and it sucks for other students, as most pay for their education with loans.

Looks at last semester's bill

Sees "Fees" equal to two months of rent+electricity

 

[DaveG]

Yeah, there's a few where what they spend vs bring in is balanced even if they eliminated the subsidy (my Mountaineers are among those) but yeah, for the most part it's pretty ******. Gotta love those "fees" that you can't choose to opt out of, while getting tickets is utterly impossible.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

We have some activity on the trade scene...



Oh, I'm sorry, did you mean player trades? Nope. Jersey trades. Darling wants to wrest #33 from Ryan's clutches.

 

[Breakdowns]

We have some activity on the trade scene...



Oh, I'm sorry, did you mean player trades? Nope. Jersey trades. Darling wants to wrest #33 from Ryan's clutches.

Give Darling #33 IMO

He will be here much longer

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

The number should be retired anyway. Nobody should be wearing it.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Hey, remember how somebody once said the '06 Canes were the weakest team to win the Cup because no members of the team were ever likely to get into the Hall of Fame?

https://www.nhl.com/news/hockey-hall-of-fame-class-of-2017/c-290161438?tid=283496592

Well, that settles that.

 

[MinJaBen]

We have some activity on the trade scene...



Oh, I'm sorry, did you mean player trades? Nope. Jersey trades. Darling wants to wrest #33 from Ryan's clutches.

We have a counter offer:

 

[Lempo]

We have a counter offer:

Darling is somewhat in corner because he has the number in his twitter handle. I don't think he can go much lower than 2/3 of practices from there or he'll lose Ryan.

 

[Roboturner913]

I doubt Ryan cares about #33 considering he wore #11 most of his career AFAIK. Still, he's got him by the short ones

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Hey, remember how somebody once said the '06 Canes were the weakest team to win the Cup because no members of the team were ever likely to get into the Hall of Fame?

https://www.nhl.com/news/hockey-hall-of-fame-class-of-2017/c-290161438?tid=283496592

Well, that settles that.

It's bad enough when you have a totally idiotic take on something, but it's even worse when your totally idiotic take is no longer a take at all.

 

[DougieSmash]

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/...rolina-hurricanes-defence-rumour-trade-lebrun

It should also be noted here that Carolina has noted genius Eric Tulsky on board, to whom they recently gave a promotion. They seem to be on the analytics train, and they have arguably the brightest star in hockey analytics on their side. It’s not likely that they get fleeced in a deal.

Some interesting lines here

 

[Roboturner913]

LOL, do Leaf fans actually think we're going to trade Faulk for one year of JVR?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

It's bad enough when you have a totally idiotic take on something, but it's even worse when your totally idiotic take is no longer a take at all.

Disappointed that Brindamour was passed over again.

 

[Chrispy]

LOL, do Leaf fans actually think we're going to trade Faulk for one year of JVR?

Twitter. Making the HF trade board look intelligent for over 10 years.

 

[cptjeff]

Disappointed that Brindamour was passed over again.

Given that the Hall is reaching back for guys like Andreychuk and Recchi, I think he still has a shot to get in. Next year has Brodeur and St. Louis as locks, and then everyone else is a probably not (unless they induct hockey's best known metaphysicist), and I do think that they'll look at a guy like Brindy to help fill things out. He damn well deserves it.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Disappointed that Brindamour was passed over again.

Given that the Hall is reaching back for guys like Andreychuk and Recchi, I think he still has a shot to get in. Next year has Brodeur and St. Louis as locks, and then everyone else is a probably not (unless they induct hockey's best known metaphysicist), and I do think that they'll look at a guy like Brindy to help fill things out. He damn well deserves it.

Yeah, I'd say Andreychuk and Recchi getting in is actually very encouraging from the standpoint of wanting Ron in there. It's to the point now where the standard for induction is basically, "Do you miss this guy?"

It would be shocking to me if we are still talking about this in 10 years. There are going to be some REALLY bad classes coming up.

 

[Roboturner913]

If nothing else it seems like his time with the Flyers should buy him some HOF cred that he wouldn't have otherwise. Fits into that whole Philly tough, hard-nosed rock em sock em running up the Rocky steps narrative they like to push.

It's hard for me to understand how there can be a HHOF and somebody like Brind'Amour not be there. He so embodied the game and especially the toughness and mystique of the playoffs. For I don't know how many years, but plenty, he was just the toughest mofo around. It'd be like a football HOF without Ronnie Lott or a baseball HOF without Craig Biggio.

 

[Joe McGrath]

If nothing else it seems like his time with the Flyers should buy him some HOF cred that he wouldn't have otherwise. Fits into that whole Philly tough, hard-nosed rock em sock em running up the Rocky steps narrative they like to push.

It's hard for me to understand how there can be a HHOF and somebody like Brind'Amour not be there. He so embodied the game and especially the toughness and mystique of the playoffs. For I don't know how many years, but plenty, he was just the toughest mofo around. It'd be like a football HOF without Ronnie Lott or a baseball HOF without Craig Biggio.

I like your Biggo example a lot. Hes one of those coin flips for me, just like Brind'amour.

Ronnie Lott was inarguably one of the 5 best safeties to ever play the game though. Many have him as the best safety of all-time.

If we're just putting the toughest mofos in the league in the hall we would be doing something damn foolish and letting Clark Gilles in. Oh. Never mind.