Post-Game Talk: New York Rangers at Tampa Bay Lightning Game 4 (Series Tied 2-2)

[Xref]

Fine, but it still stands true for BB then. He was terrible when he first got here from LA.

Boyle told the Rangers that in order to stay, he wanted an assurance that he would be used differently, not pigeon holed the same way that he was used here. The Rangers wouldnt commit to that, to their credit. You can't, as an organization, limit your flexibility that way to suit 1 player, unless his name is Wayne Gretzky.

 

[Hockey Team]

Stralman, B. Boyle, Cally, etc... they ultimately had the power in their hands to start negotiating fairly. Unfortunately, all of them had incredibly over zealous agents who thought they could tie Sather's hands behind his back.

Pretty much this. Sports/talent agents are some of the biggest scum bags in the world.

 

[Cassano]

Pretty much this. Sports/talent agents are some of the biggest scum bags in the world.

Don't think it's fair to group Stralman with the other 2.

 

[bramford]

Don't say Bishop is trash when Hank allowed 12 goals in two games. Both goalies are obviously up and down. The best one tomorrow will win the game..

Bishop gave up 5 goals on 28 shots in game 3. And 5 on 24 yesterday. Hank has faced almost twice as many shots in these last two games and a lot more breakaways. Would you trade Hank for Bishop straight up? I wouldn't!

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Boyle told the Rangers that in order to stay, he wanted an assurance that he would be used differently, not pigeon holed the same way that he was used here. The Rangers wouldnt commit to that, to their credit. You can't, as an organization, limit your flexibility that way to suit 1 player, unless his name is Wayne Gretzky.

Then Boyle went to Tampa and played the same role he did here... He was just looking for an excuse to go to Tampa cuz his wife is from there

 

[Raspewtin]

I remember that Brass check clear as day. One of our softest forwards took 6'7" Boyle down like nothing and tapped his dome. I laughed out loud. It was awesome.

I definitely miss Brian Boyle still, but I forget about how Charmin soft he was, too.

Wouldn't call Brassard soft.

He's kind of a weasel tbh. He dives and chirps a lot, but he's also pretty nasty in spurts. I'd hate him if he was on the other team, for sure.

 

[trilobyte]

I loved Brian Boyle on the Rangers, he filled a role almost perfectly.
The bit about wanting a bigger role, that just doesn't really wash with me as a legitimate request. It was a head scratcher.
Players like Boyle get their position on the team according to what is needed and who can fulfill those needs. It's not like you fill out an application for a position and somebody gets back to you on it; it's an organic process occurring at ice level.

I remember thinking, and I may have posted my thoughts, can't remember, that maybe he just liked the geography of Tampa Bay and found a smaller city with beautiful sand and surf nearby to be attractive. Not everybody thinks NYC is the only place to be, let's just be honest.

Edit: This is my long winded way of saying that Capt McDonut is dead on.

 

[poeman]

OMG you guys have to listen to this theme song for Rick Nash once he scored with Don Lagreca's call.

http://cdn16.castfire.com/audio/303...n_id=33&uuid=027a4d8e2374f658814bf85e03383dbe

I am laughing so hard right now.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I loved Brian Boyle on the Rangers, he filled a role almost perfectly.
The bit about wanting a bigger role, that just doesn't really wash with me as a legitimate request. It was a head scratcher.
Players like Boyle get their position on the team according to what is needed and who can fulfill those needs. It's not like you fill out an application for a position and somebody gets back to you on it; it's an organic process occurring at ice level.

I remember thinking, and I may have posted my thoughts, can't remember, that maybe he just liked the geography of Tampa Bay and found a smaller city with beautiful sand and surf nearby to be attractive. Not everybody thinks NYC is the only place to be, let's just be honest.

It was an attempt to gain leverage in negotiations.

Knowing very well that a player is rarely, if ever, promised a role on a team, Boyle thought that he could go into negotiations saying "Well you can't offer me the role I want, but if you give me a higher salary, I'll overlook that i'm not doing what I want to do". I'm sure that the Rangers told Boyle that he was perfectly used as a member of last year's team, and his agent came back and countered with asking for a quite egregious contract to make up for the fact that he wasn't able to play in top 9 minutes.

From what I read, the Rangers were his priority, but after that first offer from his agents, they wished him well and moved on to Tanner Glass.

After that, I believe his wife is from the Tampa area, and the Lightning, a team located in a state with no state tax, in a geographic area that Boyle's family could be comfortable in, became legitimate players.

 

[Miamipuck]

It was an attempt to gain leverage in negotiations.

Knowing very well that a player is rarely, if ever, promised a role on a team, Boyle thought that he could go into negotiations saying "Well you can't offer me the role I want, but if you give me a higher salary, I'll overlook that i'm not doing what I want to do". I'm sure that the Rangers told Boyle that he was perfectly used as a member of last year's team, and his agent came back and countered with asking for a quite egregious contract to make up for the fact that he wasn't able to play in top 9 minutes.

From what I read, the Rangers were his priority, but after that first offer from his agents, they wished him well and moved on to Tanner Glass.

After that, I believe his wife is from the Tampa area, and the Lightning, a team located in a state with no state tax, in a geographic area that Boyle's family could be comfortable in, became legitimate players.

Yeah lots and lots of ridiculous misinformation in this thread. Boyle and Stralman wanted to stay on the Rangers. One, his agent goofed and the other the Rangers goofed.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I loved Brian Boyle on the Rangers, he filled a role almost perfectly.
The bit about wanting a bigger role, that just doesn't really wash with me as a legitimate request. It was a head scratcher.
Players like Boyle get their position on the team according to what is needed and who can fulfill those needs. It's not like you fill out an application for a position and somebody gets back to you on it; it's an organic process occurring at ice level.

I remember thinking, and I may have posted my thoughts, can't remember, that maybe he just liked the geography of Tampa Bay and found a smaller city with beautiful sand and surf nearby to be attractive. Not everybody thinks NYC is the only place to be, let's just be honest.

Edit: This is my long winded way of saying that Capt McDonut is dead on.

U clearly haven't been to Tampa. Its a big metropolitan area... He'd have to live about an hour away from Tampa to get the beautiful sand and surf. I'd suggest siesta key if ur ever gunna near that area.. One of the highest rated beaches in the world every year.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

OMG you guys have to listen to this theme song for Rick Nash once he scored with Don Lagreca's call.

http://cdn16.castfire.com/audio/303...n_id=33&uuid=027a4d8e2374f658814bf85e03383dbe

I am laughing so hard right now.

This is great. Let's hope Richard Nash can play every game like he did game 4.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Yeah lots and lots of ridiculous misinformation in this thread. Boyle and Stralman wanted to stay on the Rangers. One, his agent goofed and the other the Rangers goofed.

Perhaps. I think I remember reading that Stralman was asking for 5+ mill for 5+ years and a NTC.

 

[trilobyte]

Okay, so I do agree that Brian tried for leverage. That is totally kosher and standard business practive.
What I was addressing was the oft-repeated statement here and there that he wanted a 'bigger role'. At the time and since, it puzzled me, since that is not the way it works and I found it hard to believe that Boyle or his agent could possibly think that would work with Sather. Want a bigger role? Be a different player. "We got this much dough for where you slot in, interested?"

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Where did it say that Boyle wanted to come back?

 

[Miamipuck]

Okay, so I do agree that Brian tried for leverage. That is totally kosher and standard business practive.
What I was addressing was the oft-repeated statement here and there that he wanted a 'bigger role'. At the time and since, it puzzled me, since that is not the way it works and I found it hard to believe that Boyle or his agent could possibly think that would work with Sather. Want a bigger role? Be a different player. "We got this much dough for where you slot in, interested?"

One of the beat writers put the kibosh on that "wanted a bigger role" thing. Said it was a misunderstanding from the breakup interviews.

 

[Miamipuck]

Where did it say that Boyle wanted to come back?

Rangerboy posted an article in regards to that last week.

 

[trilobyte]

One of the beat writers put the kibosh on that "wanted a bigger role" thing. Said it was a misunderstanding from the breakup interviews.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Wish I knew this a while ago

 

[Tawnos]

Perhaps. I think I remember reading that Stralman was asking for 5+ mill for 5+ years and a NTC.

I think the term with Stralman was a bigger concern for the team than anything else. With Staal needing to be signed and upcoming expiring deals at forward, having a 2 year deal in Boyle was preferable to having another 5+ deal on top of McDonagh, Girardi and the one they planned on giving Staal. Plus Klein long term for cheap.

You don't compete long term by having so much of one position locked down for so long. Eventually you need to youth grade part of your roster.

I bet they would have preferred to give Boyle 1 year if they could have.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

One of the beat writers put the kibosh on that "wanted a bigger role" thing. Said it was a misunderstanding from the breakup interviews.

I'm sorry but I can't write it off as a misunderstanding when that's what he said word for word. And he said his future in the team was questionable.. And it was what 1 or 2 days after they lost in the cup final. Its clear he had been thinking about it for a while.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I think the term with Stralman was a bigger concern for the team than anything else. With Staal needing to be signed and upcoming expiring deals at forward, having a 2 year deal in Boyle was preferable to having another 5+ deal on top of McDonagh, Girardi and the one they planned on giving Staal. Plus Klein long term for cheap.

You don't compete long term by having so much of one position locked down for so long. Eventually you need to youth grade part of your roster.

I bet they would have preferred to give Boyle 1 year if they could have.

Well hindsight now tells us we should done that long contract with stralman and let girardi walk

 

[Raspewtin]

Well hindsight now tells us we should done that long contract with stralman and let girardi walk

There was plenty of evidence right there when it was still a question lol

 

[IAMREALITY]

OMG you guys have to listen to this theme song for Rick Nash once he scored with Don Lagreca's call.

http://cdn16.castfire.com/audio/303...n_id=33&uuid=027a4d8e2374f658814bf85e03383dbe

I am laughing so hard right now.

I'm lovin that lol. Would be so much more effective with video though! But I gotta say, totally just pumped me up about him. Hoping the best has awakened and he carries us through!!

 

[Levitate]

Rangers wanted offense from the blue line and didn't think stralman could provide it in their system. He was literally the worst point producing defenseman for the Rangers going purely off his own stats.

I'm not saying it wasn't a mistake but the Rangers wanted an offensive defenseman to take the role stralman had been playing for them

 

[Miamipuck]

I'm sorry but I can't write it off as a misunderstanding when that's what he said word for word. And he said his future in the team was questionable.. And it was what 1 or 2 days after they lost in the cup final. Its clear he had been thinking about it for a while.

Then don't you're free to believe whatever you want, it's wrong but believe away.