All I know is that the New Jersey Devils are coach killers and the only constants throughout the years are Patrik Elias and Lou Lamoriello.
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All I know is that the New Jersey Devils are coach killers and the only constants throughout the years are Patrik Elias and Lou Lamoriello.
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Shame I missed this game because of work. Sounds like it was exciting with the Devils managing to maintain a third period lead and everything. Proud of the team for putting in that effort and hope that they play with the same sort of spark going forward. That will make the remainder of the games in the season more palatable.
I don't talk about Patty amongst Devils fans often because he's worshiped as some sort of demi-God, but I have to agree with this and the thought process of recent history - even if we are being a little revisionist.
I think it's pretty obvious at this point that Lou has way more control over a team than most GMs and is around during the day to day stuff more as well. I wonder if Devils teams are so quick to tune out coaches because they know the coach is not really the one pulling the strings.
He's the most vocal to the media, and through that he's often the most critical of coaching, strategy, team mates, and other things... I'm not saying he's the sole reason or sole entity responsible, but he's certainly part of the problem.
Problem with this is that it assumes Lou would bend to the will of one of his players. Which I cannot see happening. Especially if we look at some of the firings which came when Patty was not an elder statesmen. Do we think a 22 yr old Patty got Lemaire fired, or a 24 yr old Patty had much to do with Ftorek getting fired? 26 yrs old with Robinson? Lou is going to let that happen?
Not to mention Schoenfield, Cunnif, McVie, and Brooks who were all pre Patty.
Again, it's Lou, it was lou before Patty and it's Lou since Patty.
Coaches get fired alot, not just by Lou but by all GM's. What's that addage, it's easier to fire a coach than trade a team?
I know Elias didn't like Sutter. Rlias just seems grumpy around fans anytime I've ever met or seen him over the last decade or so. It wouldn't suprise me if he did clash. Ditto for Madden and others in the past.
I have heard things about Parise, which contradict what the perception by the fanbase is.
I think the players did tune out certain coaches over the years and Mutiny if you will. I don't every fire is Lou is trigger happy.
I know Elias didn't like Sutter. Rlias just seems grumpy around fans anytime I've ever met or seen him over the last decade or so. It wouldn't suprise me if he did clash. Ditto for Madden and others in the past.
I have heard things about Parise, which contradict what the perception by the fanbase is.
I think the players did tune out certain coaches over the years and Mutiny if you will. I don't every fire is Lou is trigger happy.
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I don't have anything to cite, but I seem to remember hearing that Elias has never really gotten along with many of the coaches.
He was pretty vocal about Ilya's tenure during and after. It wasn't cliche either. You want in a player, however I guess we are not use to such things because of a hyper lack of (overall) media coverage of the devils.
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Most upbeat post game I have heard from the Devils in a long time. And who is that idiot who asks about a Gionta injury time table after the game lol.
On the first part, about bending to the players, it's possible that in at least 1-2 cases it was coincidence that they felt the same way. Or perhaps it's just Patty's personality to be more vocal than his teammates. I said in one of my first posts or two about this that I am being a bit revisionist and I am aware of that... But the point stands in hindsight though.
As for the other coaches... Some of them were really just bad here (Brooks) and others had other issues. For what its worth, it's worth noting that McVie's second stint there was a retread as a stopgap when Cunniff was fired. And if we're playing this game, Ftorek got himself fired after he threw that bench.
I'd have to agree with this too, but less so considering his tenure here isn't long enough to really know for sure.
This is the Devils, there is never anything to cite...
Before, during, after... It adds up, no?
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Elias wasn't even around the team when Pete got axed.
The irony about Elias being a 'coach killer' is the three guys he chafed under the most were Lemaire 1.0, Burns and Sutter, none of whom were fired. He thrived with Larry and raved about Pete constantly and both of them got canned lol
The irony about Elias being a 'coach killer' is the three guys he chafed under the most were Lemaire 1.0, Burns and Sutter, none of whom were fired. He thrived with Larry and raved about Pete constantly and both of them got canned lol
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Elias is a really smart player, but there's definitely a bit of ego that he shows and carries with him, and it probably shows a bit of its ugly side when things aren't going well or if Elias isn't getting what he wants or believes he needs to play better.
Not suprising he and Sutter butted heads in their time here together.
Not suprising he and Sutter butted heads in their time here together.
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While I do believe Elias obviously played a part in whatever happened with Sutter, I also believe Sutter had very little tolerance for Elias' BS specifically (Euro bias).
I think it was a combination perfect to lead to a change in captaincy.
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Elias had every right to not like Sutter, he took away the C basically before meeting him and I think Sutter even publicly said the letter weighed him down.
Really Elias just wants to be left alone and treated with respect. Not everyone responds to every type of coach the same way. Patty's always had issues with taskmasters (especially when Lemaire wasn't playing him as a younger player to begin with).
Really Elias just wants to be left alone and treated with respect. Not everyone responds to every type of coach the same way. Patty's always had issues with taskmasters (especially when Lemaire wasn't playing him as a younger player to begin with).
The thing that made the most satisfied about last night was how frustrated the Pens were by the end of the game. Bortuzzo had a look on his face like he he wanted to go home and have his mother make him a grilled cheese. The Pens as a whole were frustrated. That is something the Devils haven't been able to make happen since the visit to the finals.
I remember Giroux with a few quotes in 2012... one was "They hated us... they wanted to kill us tonight" and the other when he referred to the Rock as a tough place to play. The Devils need to get those feelings back if they are going to turn this around. Tootoo can absolutely stay in the lineup every night if he's going to play like that. He doesn't have to fight... but other teams will know that the Devils are now willing to stand up for each other and make the game pretty hectic and we will see a different flow to cames from now on.
I remember Giroux with a few quotes in 2012... one was "They hated us... they wanted to kill us tonight" and the other when he referred to the Rock as a tough place to play. The Devils need to get those feelings back if they are going to turn this around. Tootoo can absolutely stay in the lineup every night if he's going to play like that. He doesn't have to fight... but other teams will know that the Devils are now willing to stand up for each other and make the game pretty hectic and we will see a different flow to cames from now on.
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Maybe we tougher players we can skate and score instead of trying to find an elusive superstar?
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Larry wasn't canned, iirc. He had to step down due to him almost having a nervous breakdown(or it was probably stress) and with Captain CrankyPants there, I didn't blame him.
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He was fired the first time.
And despite him claiming he stepped down that first time, I still don't believe it.
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They really aren't... but there seems to be so much clamoring for a top 10 forward that I think some forget that there are many important aspects to a good lineup.
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right, and having one or two strictly offensive forwards are OK.
not everyone needs to be a grinder.
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