Nathan Beaulieu - Do we still need Markov ?

[Hansman]

As I said in the game day thread, the habs cannot afford to become sentimental with their players. We need help. A lot of it. If trading Markov at the deadline for the best possible return can net us a useful package that will help us, then yes, trade him.

If Beaulieu continues to play like an NHL regular, then the transition to life without Markov will become easier. That is to say that the Habs would still need to dip into free agency and pursue another top 4 defenceman.

I love Marky but the time is right to reap our highest price before trade deadline.
I am ready for Beaulieu to step up.

I agree ,dont get sentimental,remember the Islander stanley cup teams of the 80s?
they let their vets ride off into the sunset squandering the chance for picks and prospects.

 

[JAVO16]

First of all he has a limited NTC which is a lot different then a full NTC and secondly why wouldn't Detroit want Markov?

They have Zetterberg and Datsyuk for a couple more years and they probably want to have a serious kick at the Cup if they can. Besides, they love veterans and veterans seem to enjoy playing there.

I'm not sure about us even wanting Mantha but they have a few other prospects like Ouellet that I'd be interested in.

I'd really try to go for one of their many nearly ready wingers. We already have a few defensive prospect waiting for a chance to show their stuff at the NHL level and with the influx of defensemen next year in Hamilton, I don't think we need another defensive prospect. I would really push for one of Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Jarnkrok, Mantha or even Pulkkinen (although he might not be what the doctor ordered at 5'10''). From the Kings, Zykov, Fasching, Toffoli and Prokhorkin would be my targets. From the Ducks, Rakell, Kerdiles, Etem and Smith-Pelly. From the Blues, Rattie and Jaskin.

 

[Maffew]

While we're throwing out random Markov-for-highly-touted-prospect proposals...

...Teravainen, please?

 

[habitue*]

While we're throwing out random Markov-for-highly-touted-prospect proposals...

...Teravainen, please?

If you can get rid of some of our smurfs inthe process. Yes. But I strongly doubt Chicago would do it. They don't need Markov.

 

[RealityBytes]

Time to "sell high".

Before you can do that, you need a buyer to pay high.

 

[NobleSix]

Read that columbus is looking to gear up for a playoff run, and are willing to part with one of their former 1st round picks.

Id do Markov to Columbus for a 1st and Rychel. I was pretty high on Rychel during the draft period.

 

[habitue*]

Read that columbus is looking to gear up for a playoff run, and are willing to part with one of their former 1st round picks.

Id do Markov to Columbus for a 1st and Rychel. I was pretty high on Rychel during the draft period.

I'd rather have Savard, a big RHD + a pick.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

trade markov at the deadline for a 1st and prospect and then resign him in the offseason its a win win,time to tell markov to take one for the team also

 

[M.C.G. 31]

I was against trading Markov for a long time, but now it's the time. He's really slow and just a PP specialist at this point. We're not going to win this year and I really don't want to re-sign him for 3-4 years or whatever it is he wants. I'd trade him.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Huge Markov fan for many years but it maybe time to part ways. Andrei is wearing down. His speed is clearly becoming an issue. It happens to every athlete, Father Time affects everyone at different times.
Time to pass the torch. I am sure a cup contender planning on a serious run will throw a decent package together for Andrei's services.
Beaulieu is ready. He has some serious skills, he is maturing right before our eyes. Let him play, expect some mistakes and be patient.

It's because we play him way too many minutes per game. So stupid to play him that much. He should only play 20 min a night. But that's also on MB for being dumb and filling the roster with #7 dmen. Drewiski, Bouillon, Murray... We needed at least one guy who can play in a top 4 role so Markov wouldn't look toast by mid season playing 25 min a night.

 

[Whitesnake]

It's because we play him way too many minutes per game. So stupid to play him that much. He should only play 20 min a night. But that's also on MB for being dumb and filling the roster with #7 dmen. Drewiski, Bouillon, Murray... We needed at least one guy who can play in a top 4 role so Markov wouldn't look toast by mid season playing 25 min a night.

True. And it's about time we also get d-men to play on their natural side for a change.

 

[Habnot]

Markov hasn't been great lately, but for once, I'd like to be loyal to one of our players. If he wants to finish his career here, he deserves too. He gave this team way too many great years.

Right....let's give him 4 years at 6 mill which is what has been rumored....you can\t be serious

In his position - it's his last contract you want to maximize the term and earnings

In the Habs position, you cannot accept such a deal.

Trading him at the deadline is our only option if you agree that he would not sign for 2 years.

 

[AntonCH]

To the OP
If you rephrase the question as Bealieu do we still need Diaz?
I'm ok with
Otherwise, cat scan?

 

[NobleSix]

I'd rather have Savard, a big RHD + a pick.

To each their own I suppose.

Besides Pacioretty and Gallagher, we really don't have any top 6 wingers.

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - (Trade for top line winger)
Rychel -Eller -Gallagher

Could be really interesting in a few years. If his development stays the course, we would have a actual young top 6 power forward, which we desperately need.

 

[beowulf]

So in essence you are comparing Beaulieu as being able to replace Markov...ya right.

 

[Aceekay]

So in essence you are comparing Beaulieu as being able to replace Markov...ya right.

Because you know, Markov hasn't been **** for like 20 games or anything like that, right?

There's nothing wrong with trading markov, we aren't a competitive team and he will likely retire in the next 2-3 years anyway. Beaulieu has shown that he is an NHL defenseman and his play style is quite similar to markov, he won't replace markov immediately but he can over the next couple of years if we develop him properly.

 

[G0bias]

To the OP
If you rephrase the question as Bealieu do we still need Diaz?
I'm ok with
Otherwise, cat scan?

This.

Beaulieu doesn't instantly make Markov expendable. If management wants to cash in on deadline day then it should be for different reasons (money,term etc..) and not because Brolieu looked good for a couple of games.

 

[Habnot]

Hanging on to a player past his prime when you get a decent return or letting him leave a a UFA is negligent management if you are not a SC contender.

Not trading Iginla when they should of set Calgary back much further than they needed to be.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Hanging on to a player past his prime when you get a decent return or letting him leave a a UFA is negligent management if you are not a SC contender.

Not trading Iginla when they should of set Calgary back much further than they needed to be.

Sheldon Souray.
Mike Komisarek.
Saku Koivu.
Alex Tanguay.
Mark Streit.
Alexei Kovalev.

These are just a few names I can remember of guys we let go for nothing who had value on the trade market. All because we wanted to sneak into 8th or because we wouldn't negotiate IN season.

 

[Tyson]

Habs have to start moving assets. Markov can bring the most return.

 

[25get]

Seems that many are forgetting two points:

• Markov has a non trading clause;
• Trading Markov means we are out of the PO (if you trade him for prospects and picks).

So all this seems not pertinent to me.

 

[Aceekay]

Seems that many are forgetting two points:

• Markov has a non trading clause;
• Trading Markov means we are out of the PO (if you trade him for prospects and picks).

So all this seems not pertinent to me.

We're already out of the playoffs with Markov, so what exactly are we holding to here?

And Markov would definitely agree to getting traded if we asked him, after all he might not even sign with us if we decide to keep him.

 

[Kriss E]

Hanging on to a player past his prime when you get a decent return or letting him leave a a UFA is negligent management if you are not a SC contender.

Not trading Iginla when they should of set Calgary back much further than they needed to be.

Well yes, if the plan is to let him go anyways, then we should absolutely trade him.
If Bergevin thinks his team will be competitive in 3-4 years, then we should trade him.
Problem is nobody really knows what Bergevin thinks despite his ''transparency'' policy.

 

[googlymoogly]

While we're throwing out random Markov-for-highly-touted-prospect proposals...

...Teravainen, please?

Was thinking the same thing.
Markov, Moen, Collberg for Teravainen and Chicago 2nd.
We need to give up a prospect to get Tera.

Moen and Markov would give some great depth to Hawks in winning another cup this year. Not sure if they could fit into Hawks cap wise though.

 

[Domenic]

Was thinking the same thing.
Markov, Moen, Collberg for Teravainen and Chicago 2nd.
We need to give up a prospect to get Tera.

Moen and Markov would give some great depth to Hawks in winning another cup this year. Not sure if they could fit into Hawks cap wise though.

This one is tricky. Ideally, it would have to be done during "Take Your Kid to Work Day," where Stan Bowman's kid actually runs the team for a day.