Nail Yakupov - How did the scouts get it wrong too?

[Replacement*]

so why does every Oiler coach not play him more then? Are you suggesting they are all conspiring against Yak?

No I'm suggesting this is an idiotic org with a platoon of #1 picks they earned in a socialist encrypted draft order that rewards failure that doesn't have a clue what to do with, or how to use and how to support the top picks in the world.

This being an org that could make almost any player crumble under the weight of abject org stupidity.

No conspiracy, unless one infers that before this year that MacBlowe wanted to surround the org management structure with greater idiots than themselves. That much I would say was in the cards...

This isn't a hockey org, its a Dilbert cartoon.

 

[Replacement*]

Still didn't and who knows with this inconsistent player if he hits those marks. You can assume all you want but I'll just state facts.

So you assume a player with 17Gs in 48GP wouldn't have reached 20Goals in a full season. That a player with 31pts in 48 GP wouldn't hit 40 pts in a full season. That's "the facts" according to you and I'm assuming.

If that is the case welcome to ignore. I'm done trying to discuss this with you.

Since you currently post on hardly any other topic, and have an agenda on this one and it is sad that more and more of your posts are only about Yakupov. Approx 50% at this point. That's on you.

 

[Fourier]

Cherry picking of stats are all meaningless when it comes to Yak.

Fact is hes never broken 40 points or 20 goals yet.

How is it cherry picking to look at what he did in his Junior career to justify that he had the talent to be the #1 overall pick. And his first season as a pro was very good offensively by any reasonable standards. No one is denying that since then he has fallen off a cliff. The player we see right now is not the player I expected him to be.

 

[Replacement*]

One last post on GM's myopic metric castigation of Yak for not yet hitting 20g or 40A


First Yak year was a lockout year. only 15 NHL players hit 20 goal mark. Only 30 hit 40 pts. No rookies did that year, no Oiler hit 20 goals this year, only Hall hit one of those benchmarks. But according to GM a failure that year for Yak to not produce 20 40 Boohoo that he only hit an outstanding rookie total of 17G 31pts that lockout season

Next year Eakins. Team struggled, few produced well outside of topline, Only Perron, probably because he was new to the org and not depressed with this org by that time. Perron however collapsed the subsequent year and hasn't been spotted since..

3rd Yak year, again Eakins. More misery, very few players did well. Only two player, on topline, hit the 40 pt benchmark or 20G benchmark, 2. that's it, and nobody outside of topline did but apparently failure for Yak not to...(sarcasm)

Now we have 4th year where Yak was on pace for 41pts but injury has prevented this from likely occurring. Again bad Yak, how dare he get seriously injured by a referee.

Perhaps it is silly, in regards to a 22 yr old with only 3 yrs in the league, and one of those being a lockout year, to state "player has never hit these benchmarks"

That being among the worst arguments I've ever seen here.

 

[GMofOilers]

One last post on GM's myopic metric castigation of Yak for not hitting 20g or 40A


First Yak year was a lockout year. only 15 NHL players hit 20 goal mark. Only 30 hit 40 pts. No rookies did that year, no Oiler hit 20 goals this year, only Hall hit one of those benchmarks. But according to GM a failure that year for Yak to not produce 20 40 Boohoo that he only hit an outstanding rookie total of 17G 31pts that lockout season

Next year Eakins. Team struggled, few produced well outside of topline, Only Perron, probably because he was new to the org and not depressed with this org by that time. Perron however collapsed the subsequent year and hasn't been spotted since..

3rd Yak year, again Eakins. More misery, very few players did well. Only two player, on topline, hit the 40 pt benchmark or 20G benchmark, 2. that's it, and nobody outside of topline did but apparently failure for Yak not to...(sarcasm)

Now we have 4th year where Yak was on pace for 41pts but injury has prevented this from likely occurring. Again bad Yak, how dare he get seriously injured by a referee.

Perhaps it is silly, in regards to a 22 yr old with only 3 yrs in the league, and one of those being a lockout year, to state "player has never hit these benchmarks"

That being among the worst arguments I've ever seen here.

Thought you were done

Like I have always stated to many excuses. The fact is upon ur response is he hasn't hit either.

Does Lemieux or Gretzky get record book changed for games due to injury or lockout?

 

[GMofOilers]

How is it cherry picking to look at what he did in his Junior career to justify that he had the talent to be the #1 overall pick. And his first season as a pro was very good offensively by any reasonable standards. No one is denying that since then he has fallen off a cliff. The player we see right now is not the player I expected him to be.

Me either. I was s big time Yak guy the year and year after draft.

 

[Replacement*]

Interesting that Yak is said to have "fallen off a cliff" when his 5 on 5 production rate has been greater than Nuge.

With Yak playing a lot of bottomsix minutes with limited linemates and Nuge playing usually with the top players this org can give him.

I love those unbiased assessments like "fallen off a cliff"

I guess that's the quality of assessment nowadays.

 

[duul]

Give Yak the rest of the year with McDavid. If he has good value, I wouldn't mind trading him for a player like Brouwer or Ward.

If he works out on McDavid's wing then we could keep him, but I feel we can trade him for more important assets. Hell, if he plays well until the end of the year, we could package him at the draft for a defenceman and then sign a big, physical winger to replace him.

 

[Narnia]

Yakupov basically tried the same stunt as Drouin. He just didn't take it quite as far.

It was his agent, not Yak.

 

[Philly85*]

I hope he gets traded just so I don't have to hear those ****ing idiots Gregor or Rishaug talk their stupid, thinly veiled **** about 22 year old Yakupov anymore.

Mind you, I don't listen to Gregor's show anymore, just seems when I do so happen to listen in for 2-3 minutes, it's the same old nonsense.

 

[McTedi]

It was his agent, not Yak.

Yak spoke directly to the media.

 

[Replacement*]

Yak spoke directly to the media.

Oh, you mean when the Org forced this youth to face the angry hordes of media as penitence? In what was an accusatory gongshow?

A low point for this org in its treatment of players which is saying a lot.

 

[alphahelix]

Yak said some things directly to the media and went through Larionov for others and it was all pretty goofy.

 

[McAsuno]

From what I recall, Yak didn't make any negative comment that showed he wanted out. He just said he was frustrated with his ice time and wanted to play more to help the team win. Media guys like Rishaug didn't take too long to **** on him though, so **** Rishaug. Drouin on the other hand is the real primadonna. Gets sent down to the AHL and refuses to play in a damn AHL game recommended by his agent (he still has the final decision regardless). Yak at least tried to play despite having Eakins constantly on his ass. The hate comparison between Yak and Drouin is such a joke. Drouin would get the exact same treatment if he wasn't a good ol Canadian boy to the media.

 

[Suxnet]

Interesting that Yak is said to have "fallen off a cliff" when his 5 on 5 production rate has been greater than Nuge.

With Yak playing a lot of bottomsix minutes with limited linemates and Nuge playing usually with the top players this org can give him.

I love those unbiased assessments like "fallen off a cliff"

I guess that's the quality of assessment nowadays.

I've called Nuge the most overrated player on the team a number of times in the past, and after looking his underlying numbers, I still completely stand by that statement. He's been just as disappointing, if not more, than Yakupov. It's unreal how many excuses he gets when in reality, he's just not that good. One of the common ones being "he plays against tough competition" but that only tells half the story. He's also had the best linemates the Oilers have had to offer until this season.

No more Hall and his stats go down the toilet? Not a coincidence. Let's just hope the rest of the league doesn't find out how big of a fraud this guy is and we can get a good return for him.

 

[McTedi]

Oh, you mean when the Org forced this youth to face the angry hordes of media as penitence? In what was an accusatory gongshow?

A low point for this org in its treatment of players which is saying a lot.

Absolutely agree with you in regards to the treatment of a young prospect. But Narnia is incorrect about what occurred.

 

[iCanada]

Apparently I should be a scout. LOL.

I thought a about 6 months before his draft he had huge bust potential, Gilbert Brule style.



http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=34715665&postcount=54

I dunno, I have never seen these kind of pitbull guys who had mad success in juniors be a real player in the NHL. Last I even know of was Fleury. Like, even at that level his only move was winding up, skating the whole ice surface, beating the D 1 on 1 then scoring. He has always been a tenacious hard worker, but I think he doesn't have the size to be that kind of threat at the NHL level. He needs to become like a stamkos style sniper, but he hasn't found that yet. Dunno if he will.

Its weird, because he spent his whole junior career being a driver, but I see his NHL ability as a secondary support style sniper (like Stammer).

I still think he was the right pick, too much potential not to pick him.

 

[frag2]

Apparently I should be a scout. LOL.

I thought a about 6 months before his draft he had huge bust potential, Gilbert Brule style.



http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=34715665&postcount=54

I dunno, I have never seen these kind of pitbull guys who had mad success in juniors be a real player in the NHL. Last I even know of was Fleury. Like, even at that level his only move was winding up, skating the whole ice surface, beating the D 1 on 1 then scoring. He has always been a tenacious hard worker, but I think he doesn't have the size to be that kind of threat at the NHL level. He needs to become like a stamkos style sniper, but he hasn't found that yet. Dunno if he will.

Its weird, because he spent his whole junior career being a driver, but I see his NHL ability as a secondary support style sniper (like Stammer).

I still think he was the right pick, too much potential not to pick him.

I think Yak tried to add other dimensions to his game and that impact the main one-his offense. He's similar to Nuge in that regard. It's almost like Nuge's offense got neutered after he tried to get get better defensively.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Jets fan here, I came to the board to find info on the progression of Yakupov.

After reading the first few pages of the thread I think I have a fairly good idea. Other than our head to head games I only see a period here of there of Oilers games so I don't see enough to know how he is doing.

Two questions -

1) Is it possible that over the last 3 years that the Oilers couldn't swap one of these top forward prospects for a D? (i.e. why hasn't that happened?)

2) If you could re-do the Yakopov pick would you still take him? Someone else... or a reasonable trade at the draft for a 1st over all (player, prospects and a lower pick or 2)? (what do you think the best of the 3 options in hindsight would have been?)

Good luck with the return of McDavid!!!

 

[The Nuge]

Jets fan here, I came to the board to find info on the progression of Yakupov.

After reading the first few pages of the thread I think I have a fairly good idea. Other than our head to head games I only see a period here of there of Oilers games so I don't see enough to know how he is doing.

Two questions -

1) Is it possible that over the last 3 years that the Oilers couldn't swap one of these top forward prospects for a D? (i.e. why hasn't that happened?)

2) If you could re-do the Yakopov pick would you still take him? Someone else... or a reasonable trade at the draft for a 1st over all (player, prospects and a lower pick or 2)? (what do you think the best of the 3 options in hindsight would have been?)

Good luck with the return of McDavid!!!

1. Maybe. But how many teams are looking to trade an established top pairing dman? We have tons of prospect dmen.

2. Out of the people who were actually in the discussion, it's either Yak or Murray for me. And we were taking Murray until the owner stepped in. With the hindsight of knowing how bad that draft was I would have loved to have traded the pick

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Jets fan here, I came to the board to find info on the progression of Yakupov.

After reading the first few pages of the thread I think I have a fairly good idea. Other than our head to head games I only see a period here of there of Oilers games so I don't see enough to know how he is doing.

Two questions -

1) Is it possible that over the last 3 years that the Oilers couldn't swap one of these top forward prospects for a D? (i.e. why hasn't that happened?)

2) If you could re-do the Yakopov pick would you still take him? Someone else... or a reasonable trade at the draft for a 1st over all (player, prospects and a lower pick or 2)? (what do you think the best of the 3 options in hindsight would have been?)

Good luck with the return of McDavid!!!

1) There were plenty of rumours of 1st Overall (Yakupov) for PK Subban. Not sure how true this was but our inactive GM Tambellini didn't want to pull the trigger on this. PK went on to win the Norris that season, and Tambellini was fired.

2) Extremely weak draft year, but we really mishandled him. Seems the best offensive players of this draft year are looking to be nothing more than support players at best (not drivers). That said, a trade would have been best. Possibly even trade down to draft Lindholm/Reilly.


I remember Garth Snow wanting to trade all of his draft picks that year for 2nd Overall. Strangely enough his scouts must have known how weak this particular year was.

Very unimpressive class:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2012e.html

 

[bucks_oil]

Jets fan here, I came to the board to find info on the progression of Yakupov.

After reading the first few pages of the thread I think I have a fairly good idea. Other than our head to head games I only see a period here of there of Oilers games so I don't see enough to know how he is doing.

Two questions -

1) Is it possible that over the last 3 years that the Oilers couldn't swap one of these top forward prospects for a D? (i.e. why hasn't that happened?)

2) If you could re-do the Yakopov pick would you still take him? Someone else... or a reasonable trade at the draft for a 1st over all (player, prospects and a lower pick or 2)? (what do you think the best of the 3 options in hindsight would have been?)

Good luck with the return of McDavid!!!

1) There have been various rumors over the last few years, but I don't think anyone has heard any that seemed reasonable as being on the table... I remember Ebs + Hall for Weber. Mostly, our players have had ?'s surrounding them which has decreased their trade value (at least on these boards).

2) Yes, of course with the benefit of hindsight... we'd be crazy not to have selected Lindholm or Reilly or Trouba... but we wouldn't have selected any of those guys, it would have been Ryan Murray, who hasn't exactly lit the world on fire yet either.

 

[Philly85*]

2012 was not "an extremely weak draft", as people like to spew around here. Huge amount of quality players and tons of depth, and this just in the first round.

Eakins and the Oilers happened to Yakupov
Galchenyuk got injured and was also heavily jerked around by Therrien (another huge idiot)
Murray's knee is almost done before it even begins

Yak was the consensus #1 pick with 1st line franchise winger upside.

 

[Philly85*]

In hindsight they probably should've traded the pick if it was available, but of course Tambellini was GM so you probably wouldn't even like to think about the hypothetical deals for him in that situation...