Mungman
It's you not me.
Sure, but you see, my point is that, much like most numbers around here, misstated numbers tend to stretch and stretch and stretch until they take on a life of its own. Not just numbers, either. Alleged "facts" get stated and restated until, in the minds of some, they become "facts".
If you have gleaned anything from my posts, you should have gleaned that I am pretty keen on establishing actual empirical data.
Even at that, after asking and asking and asking, we now thankfully have a situation on the Board where thoughtful posters will at least say that WPG is at best a mid-tier market. Even at that, I say "Maybe, maybe not, but show me the numbers. And then, after that, show me how WPG can sustain itself by starting out with already-highly-priced tickets perilously close to the top price that one can muster in the market. Show me where the growth will come to support an ever increasing salary cap."
What you refer to as a less than objective perspective is really IMO a shot at what is in fact the prototypical objective perspective. I have been saying it for years: show me the numbers, for now and in the future. What is more objective than a demand for empiricism?
Here is a little one to start you off:
1. TNSE has confirmed that their season ticket price for their 13,000 season ticket holders will not escalate by more than 3% per year during their particular term.
2. The NHL salary cap has a built-in automatic escalator of 5%, which will likely increase even more as soon as the new NHL TV deal kicks in (which in and of itself will increase NHL revenues by >4% per year in the first year).
3. Assuming TNSE's salary expenditures merely stay in line with the NHL cap on a relative basis, they will be losing ground at the rate of 2% per year on a critical component of their revenue streams for each of the first 3-5 years of their franchise.
Discuss the impact.
Meh, the facts are flexible around here, we're all working from in incomplete (at best) picture of what's going on (good examples: the Sportsnet regional contract, the illegality of ASG even whispering to anyone about selling during the court case, MTSC being paid off) so basically everyone here is guilty of this offence. It's not generally intentional, just the nature of this part of the interwebs. You can make it your personal crusade for empiricism, but you'll just end up tilting at windmills till the end of time.
As for the part of your post I deleted from the quote, pretty chippy play, keep the elbows down.
As for the business plan, as a standalone business there are issues, but that's why the Jets left in the first place (one of many reasons). They WERE a standalone hockey business without control of the arena revenues, this is a different situation entirely. The closest model in the NHL would be San Jose with the diversified revenue streams to support the operation, TNSE already has much of this is place and is continuing to expand the investments in the area of the arena to support the organization. In the long run the model they are building should be sustainable.
The Winnipeg of today is not the Winnipeg of yesterday, and the Winnipeg of tomorrow will be better than today with many of the developments going on around the province.
But now I must go and retrieve my patio set before it flys away in the wind.... nuts man just nuts.