Proposal: MTL's 3OA (+ Pacioretty) for a Center

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I don't think there is a monolothic " habs fan" to suggest we all want one thing but I for one didnt want another mid to high 2C to see if he could carry the load. I don't want Bozak or Stasny now. We don't need Centers, we need center who can play reliably in the top 6. What we absolutely do not need more of it take a 3C and playing him at 1C for lack of any possible alternatives.

one day, by hook or by crook, the habs will have a legit NHL 1C.
I hope my kid is alive to see it.

Schenn is no Bozak lmao.
and we needed a #1 #2 and #3 C at the time... it was a fairly low price to pay for a talented guy like Schenn,

 

[sandysan]

Schenn is no Bozak lmao.
and we needed a #1 #2 and #3 C at the time... it was a fairly low price to pay for a talented guy like Schenn,

he also wasnt a 1C when he got shipped. Same with tyler johnson in tampa, better than out C's, not a 1C.

We STILL need two top 6 centers, tavares is an obvious choice but he wont come to our tire fire. ROR IS a upper 2/low 1C that I think the habs SHOULD consider but a lot of other fans are fixated on the suck forever and hope we luck out in the draft mentality.

plus there are still plenty of redundant wingers to be acquired so getting any center has been moved to the back burner, again.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

he also wasnt a 1C when he got shipped. Same with tyler johnson in tampa, better than out C's, not a 1C.

We STILL need two top 6 centers, tavares is an obvious choice but he wont come to our tire fire. ROR IS a upper 2/low 1C that I think the habs SHOULD consider but a lot of other fans are fixated on the suck forever and hope we luck out in the draft mentality.

plus there are still plenty of redundant wingers to be acquired so getting any center has been moved to the back burner, again.

The price asked for ROR is just not worth at all. do we need to amputate our future just to get a defensive #1c ? and realistically he is a great #2C
ROR is really good defensively but not enough offensively. I'm really not high on ROR for the price IMO.

 

[ole ole]

BUF should be all over a ROR for Patches+3rd. Maybe not a bad deal for MTL, either. Eichel and Mittelstadt can be the top 6 C's. Zadina would be perfect, and Patches some vet presence.

Think BUF needs to add someone like Pu to make it fair. MTL might want Nylander.

If that's Patches + a 3rd rd pick than the Habs say yes. If that's Patches and the Habs 3rd OA than the Habs say HELL NO.I wouldn't even give the 3rd OA straight up for ROR and someone expects the Habs to add Patches.

 

[sandysan]

The price asked for ROR is just not worth at all. do we need to amputate our future just to get a defensive #1c ? and realistically he is a great #2C
ROR is really good defensively but not enough offensively. I'm really not high on ROR for the price IMO.

he is a legit 200 foot center who can actually mentor whoever we draft. Say we find a diamond in the rought with one of our 15 second round picks. no way he makes the club this year, so say 2-3 years away. he gets to the big club, who mentors him on what it takes to be a nhl center ? Dano ? McCarron ( if he's still around) ?

yes ror will cost. ALL 1C's will cost. we are pretty much set at wing but we will likely (IMO) still draft zadina who could possible make the team next year and if he does will be responsible for dragging his line up and down the ice every game.

 

[sandysan]

If that's Patches + a 3rd rd pick than the Habs say yes. If that's Patches and the Habs 3rd OA than the Habs say HELL NO.I wouldn't even give the 3rd OA straight up for ROR and someone expects the Habs to add Patches.

you wouldn't give up a 2018 second tier ( provided we take zadina) PROSPECT for a real NHL tried and tested 1C who plays a 200 foot game ? Really ? So we have transitioned from "we have no centers" to " we will never have centers" ?

ROR is probably 3X the player that our current 1C is ( more if you consider it drouin). And there is a HUGE difference between a one year rental of patches and a patches under contract. Teams on the cusp will often give up things at the end of the season to pick up that " last piece" to make a run. If the desire is the playoffs, who is going to give up ANYTHING for casperetty who may be the least effective playoff performer in the whole league ?

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

he is a legit 200 foot center who can actually mentor whoever we draft. Say we find a diamond in the rought with one of our 15 second round picks. no way he makes the club this year, so say 2-3 years away. he gets to the big club, who mentors him on what it takes to be a nhl center ? Dano ? McCarron ( if he's still around) ?

yes ror will cost. ALL 1C's will cost. we are pretty much set at wing but we will likely (IMO) still draft zadina who could possible make the team next year and if he does will be responsible for dragging his line up and down the ice every game.

I'm really not into the same thinking. I think we should rebuild from this year draft and not try to push for playoffs conference final...
do we really need a big C mentor... ? most of the recent gen Center didn't get mentored... Matthews,Mcdavid,Drais,Schei, and I can go on.

I also don'T think ROR is a top20 Center in the league so he is not a real #1 C

 

[Ridley Simon]

Heard that the Habs were inquiring about Backstrom (read this on the Caps board, was a radio discussion).

Can’t imagine the Caps would entertain that. But who knows?

3OA would have to be a starting point...yes? And add from there.

 

[ole ole]

you wouldn't give up a 2018 second tier ( provided we take zadina) PROSPECT for a real NHL tried and tested 1C who plays a 200 foot game ? Really ? So we have transitioned from "we have no centers" to " we will never have centers" ?

ROR is probably 3X the player that our current 1C is ( more if you consider it drouin). And there is a HUGE difference between a one year rental of patches and a patches under contract. Teams on the cusp will often give up things at the end of the season to pick up that " last piece" to make a run. If the desire is the playoffs, who is going to give up ANYTHING for casperetty who may be the least effective playoff performer in the whole league ?

No i wouldn't give up a 2018 top tier ( provided we take zadina) PROSPECT and a 29 yr old 30+ goal scoring winger who they could easily resign. for a 27 yr old 7,5 mil 2nd line C.

 

[BB88]

BUF should be all over a ROR for Patches+3rd. Maybe not a bad deal for MTL, either. Eichel and Mittelstadt can be the top 6 C's. Zadina would be perfect, and Patches some vet presence.

Think BUF needs to add someone like Pu to make it fair. MTL might want Nylander.

You can't throw a kid with few NHL games as the top6C and expect to get better.

Adding Pac makes no sense for Buffalo, unless they want to be trying to trade out of that contract in few years time.

 

[sandysan]

No i wouldn't give up a 2018 top tier ( provided we take zadina) PROSPECT and a 29 yr old 30+ goal scoring winger who they could easily resign. for a 27 yr old 7,5 mil 2nd line C.

you really think we are in the running to resign patches ????

And we haven't resigned him, we likely wont and until we do, he's a rental.

high end prospect on the wing + one year of rental of casper the ghost is TOO much for a real 1C ?

has it been so long in montreal of not having a real center that people simply ignore what a good 1C does ?

We may have not yet shown 67 the door, but we have certainly handed him his hat.

 

[ole ole]

you really think we are in the running to resign patches ????

And we haven't resigned him, we likely wont and until we do, he's a rental.

high end prospect on the wing + one year of rental of casper the ghost is TOO much for a real 1C ?

has it been so long in montreal of not having a real center that people simply ignore what a good 1C does ?

We may have not yet shown 67 the door, but we have certainly handed him his hat.

Where is this 1 c your talking about?

 

[sandysan]

Where is this 1 c your talking about?

You don't think that ROR is a 1c? A two hundred foot guy who is good on the dot?

He's not a high end 1C, but a 1C he remains.

 

[Halla]

The price asked for ROR is just not worth at all. do we need to amputate our future just to get a defensive #1c ? and realistically he is a great #2C
ROR is really good defensively but not enough offensively. I'm really not high on ROR for the price IMO.

he is a 60+ two way C. how is he not good enough?
there isnt a habs center half as good....

 

[Halla]

you really think we are in the running to resign patches ????

And we haven't resigned him, we likely wont and until we do, he's a rental.

high end prospect on the wing + one year of rental of casper the ghost is TOO much for a real 1C ?

has it been so long in montreal of not having a real center that people simply ignore what a good 1C does ?

We may have not yet shown 67 the door, but we have certainly handed him his hat.

yeah patches is leaving that mess.habs probably wont be good, so they wont have trouble moving him

the only question is when

 

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[spaghtti]

Why are you alayways mad in every posts you make.

It was directed to the 27th pick, not the player. it was a gamble and not a good trade IMO

It still worked out better then Sergachev for Drouin

 

[Beendair Donedat]

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If Brian Wilde says it, it’s an auto-toss.

 

[LaP]

3rd overall + Patch. There's maybe around 20 centers in this league worth that much and they are all not available.

We wont give our 3 overall + Patch for a 1B center or a 2A center. It's simply not worth it.

 

[LaP]

Jeff Carter?

3 overall + Patch? Not even close. Did you forget this ?

 

[QJL]

Zibanejad + Day + #26 + #39

for

Pacioretty + #3

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

David Krejci 5 years ago.

 

[Icicle]

3OA+Pacc for ROR+Nylander

Habs fans are delusional if they think they can find a 1C without 3OA+. There’s only one prospect in the entire draft that projects as a 1C and he’s only got 50% of scouts thinking he can accomplish that. You’d think after Galchenyuk the pressure would be on him to find a more sure thing.

ROR is a sure thing. Going through this whole thread there hasn’t been a single other center of that class who is even considered available. These players don’t come up often.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Zibanejad + Day + #26 + #39

for

Pacioretty + #3

absolutely not from habs

 

[HuGo Sham]

3OA+Pacc for ROR+Nylander

Habs fans are delusional if they think they can find a 1C without 3OA+. There’s only one prospect in the entire draft that projects as a 1C and he’s only got 50% of scouts thinking he can accomplish that. You’d think after Galchenyuk the pressure would be on him to find a more sure thing.

ROR is a sure thing. Going through this whole thread there hasn’t been a single other center of that class who is even considered available. These players don’t come up often.

and pacioretty's as close to a sure thing as an elite 30 goal scorer and a top 3 pick is generally a very, very good player. what's your point?