Proposal: MTL - EDM

[izzy]

do you purposely ignore facts ?

Price ---------> primeau will be our starter when price stops ( let's say at 38) primeau is already seen as a elite starter, just need 3-4 years of preparation, also price is only 31...

Weber... he is not price, we have Romanov and Brook, Yes brook is seen as high as weber ( different style) but Brook is seen as his replacement.


Stop talking for Montreal, you have ZERO clue of the ages, prospects and capacity of our players.
One thing MTL is doing well is forming the replacement for Price and Weber in 5+ years, or might be in 10 years.. so calm down.

yeah its nice to be positive but this is a bit much

i also dont understand you saying i dont have a clue of the ages of your players. even if i didnt follow hockey that info is readily available and cant be disputed when brought up because their ages are facts. unless they lied about their birthyears or something.

this would be as stupid as me saying that i think robert thomas and kyrou will easily replace tarasenko and ror in time. they arent blue chip prospects or anything.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd heavily consider it

If Dach isn't there at 8 come draft Day, I'd pull the trigger.

What about Lucic and the 8th OA for Primeau? You get to unload Lucic (100% of his contract if he waives the NMC), lose the 8th OA pick but gain a top goalie prospect in Primeau? Habs get to use the cap space we have where it's sitting there doing nothing and we gain the 8th OA pick.

Pretty sure Primeau has similar value to Knight and he is ranked mid 1st ish right now. Primeau is close to being NHL ready too. I hate to trade Primeau but we have Price and I think Price will be effective for at least another 5 years. Habs would go after another goalie that fits Price's time line better in the next draft or two.

 

[RyderRocks73]

yes because chara and luongo are the norm

you cant just think they will continue to be effective as they age like two rare cases. price is 32 next season and weber will be 34. those arent players you easily replace so having young depth doesnt help there.

you have no clue.

and fyi every team has prospects.

The list is longer than that.

It's not uncommon for great players to stay relevant into their late 30s. I think Keith, Weber, and Doughty all have a shot. Same with Price, Fleury, and Rinne.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

i also dont understand you saying i dont have a clue of the ages of your players. even if i didnt follow hockey that info is readily available and cant be disputed when brought up because their ages are facts. unless they lied about their birthyears or something.

Wasn't talking to you about this one, it was an other poster who was linking Folin and Thompson in our fixed lineup and taking their age in the average.

 

[Habs Halifax]

yes because chara and luongo are the norm

you cant just think they will continue to be effective as they age like two rare cases. price is 32 next season and weber will be 34. those arent players you easily replace so having young depth doesnt help there.

you have no clue.

and fyi every team has prospects.

More concerns with Weber based on his foot speed vs Price. Elite level goalies play very well in their 30's and up to 36/37 ish. Different concern with Weber. I think he has two more solid years and then we need to decide if we protect him in the expansion draft. He will be 34 and 35 in the next two seasons and his contract is designed for him to retire at age 36 or 37. It's the last two years where I have concerns, not the next two years. Completely different story with Price. Price will be good for a while yet

 

[LeHab]

Big pass from Montreal.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The list is longer than that.

It's not uncommon for great players to stay relevant into their late 30s. I think Keith, Weber, and Doughty all have a shot. Same with Price, Fleury, and Rinne.

Agreed. Talking about the Habs assets who are age 30-35 like they are done tomorrow is propaganda.

Burns is the same age as Weber (slightly older actually). Weber's contract is designed for him to retire at age 36 or 37. Burn's contract is not designed for him to retire early. He will be 39 in that 8 year of his deal and his actual salary will be $5M.

 

[izzy]

Agreed. Talking about the Habs assets who are age 30-35 like they are done tomorrow is propaganda.

Burns is the same age as Weber (slightly older actually). Weber's contract is designed for him to retire at age 36 or 37. Burn's contract is not designed for him to retire early. He will be 39 in that 8 year of his deal and his actual salary will be $5M.

how is it propaganda? why do you guys seem to believe your players are going to be in the rare group that stays elite through their mid 30s? it may happen, but to be so certain is wild. i hope they do, i want to see price be elite for a long time hes one of my favorites. just being realistic.

 

[strongcomp05]

montreal should use their money to bring in a dman for the left side rather than trading their second most productive winger for futures after barely missing the playoffs with a relatively older core

older core? have you watched ANY habs games?

 

[izzy]

older core? have you watched ANY habs games?

damn you guys are sensitive

how old are your top 2 dmen and goaltender?

 

[780il]

What about Lucic and the 8th OA for Primeau? You get to unload Lucic (100% of his contract if he waives the NMC), lose the 8th OA pick but gain a top goalie prospect in Primeau? Habs get to use the cap space we have where it's sitting there doing nothing and we gain the 8th OA pick.

Pretty sure Primeau has similar value to Knight and he is ranked mid 1st ish right now. Primeau is close to being NHL ready too. I hate to trade Primeau but we have Price and I think Price will be effective for at least another 5 years. Habs would go after another goalie that fits Price's time line better in the next draft or two.

Easy no

 

[Habs Halifax]

how is it propaganda? why do you guys seem to believe your players are going to be in the rare group that stays elite through their mid 30s? it may happen, but to be so certain is wild. i hope they do, i want to see price be elite for a long time hes one of my favorites. just being realistic.

It is propaganda. People have been talking about Weber's decline for 3 or 4 years now and still has not happened. If Hainsey and Rinne can do what they are doing at their age, so can Weber and Price.

I think you are over inflating decline. It's somewhat valid with Weber cause he is 34 next year but not Price. Completely different story.

 

[strongcomp05]

damn you guys are sensitive

how old are your top 2 dmen and goaltender?

not sensitive, you'd be just as annoyed if someone with zero concept of your team made ignorant blanket statements as well

 

[Habs Halifax]

Easy no

Cause you don't need a goalie or you don't value Primeau? I'm guessing you think Rodrigue can potentially be your Primeau down the road?

 

[Frank Drebin]

how? did i say aging roster or aging core? top 2 dmen and goalie are old.

You said aging core, when you really meant (or should have said) was aging #1D and goalie. The rest of the team is young.

 

[izzy]

you cannot say anything about montreal on this forum

 

[Frank Drebin]

you cannot say anything about montreal on this forum

Apologies for correcting you. Please continue talking out of your butt.

 

[CDN24]

you cannot say anything about montreal on this forum

Actually you cannot say anything about Montreal on this forum that is not factual or blatantly wrong or the Habs fans will call you on it. Two players do not make up a "core"

Are the Caps done because by the start of next year Ovi will 34, backstrom 31, and Holtby 30?

 

[izzy]

Apologies for correcting you. Please continue talking out of your butt.

correcting me how? that core was pacioretty weber and price. now weber and price is that core. they are over 30 right now and finding replacements wont be a cake walk so trading a top line winger for futures makes no sense. what part of that is incorrect? are weber and price (top 2 players right now) not soon to be exiting their prime days?

what part of that is incorrect?

 

[izzy]

Actually you cannot say anything about Montreal on this forum that is not factual or blatantly wrong or the Habs fans will call you on it. Two players do not make up a "core"

Are the Caps done because by the start of next year Ovi will 34, backstrom 31, and Holtby 30?

where did i say they were done at the start of next year? grasping? a better comparison would be me saying that washington shouldnt be trading tom wilson for futures because their core is aging. (which is true!)

 

[angusyoung]

you cannot say anything about montreal on this forum

But I thought it was trade between EDM and MTL?

 

[CDN24]

where did i say they were done at the start of next year? grasping? a better comparison would be me saying that washington shouldnt be trading tom wilson for futures because their core is aging. (which is true!)

You said "aging core". I was pointing out that 3 of the Caps key guys will be 34/31/30 at start of next year. Weber, Price and Petry will be 34/32/31 at start of next year. Not so different

How can only 2 guys be "the core"? what about forwards?

Line 1 Tatar (28)-Danault (26) gallagher (26)
Line 2 Drouin (24)-Domi (24) Shaw (27)
Line 3 lehkonen (23) kotkaniemi (18) armia (25)
grizzled veterans like byron 29 and weal 26 on the 4th are not really core but neither are they old

Reinforcements coming like poehling 19 Suzuki 19
On D the next wave is mete 20,brook 19, fleury 20, romanov 19.

That is hardly an aging core. yeah the goalie is 31 today and the stud d is 33 and will have to be replaced when they decline just like everyone else. / guys under contract for next year who are over 30. Weise and alzner, both 30, will not be on Nhl roster

 

[ChaoticOrange]

What about Lucic and the 8th OA for Primeau? You get to unload Lucic (100% of his contract if he waives the NMC), lose the 8th OA pick but gain a top goalie prospect in Primeau? Habs get to use the cap space we have where it's sitting there doing nothing and we gain the 8th OA pick.

Pretty sure Primeau has similar value to Knight and he is ranked mid 1st ish right now. Primeau is close to being NHL ready too. I hate to trade Primeau but we have Price and I think Price will be effective for at least another 5 years. Habs would go after another goalie that fits Price's time line better in the next draft or two.

We have a million prospect goalies. Starrett will probably win goalie of the year in the AHL, Rodrigue is trending well, Skinner and Wells both have a ton of upside and even the kid we got from you guys is having a stellar year.

Edit: Starrett was just named to the AHL’s all rookie team.

primeau is a good prospect but that’s not a move I’d make. We need forwards, plain and simple.

 

[izzy]

You said "aging core". I was pointing out that 3 of the Caps key guys will be 34/31/30 at start of next year. Weber, Price and Petry will be 34/32/31 at start of next year. Not so different

How can only 2 guys be "the core"? what about forwards?

Line 1 Tatar (28)-Danault (26) gallagher (26)
Line 2 Drouin (24)-Domi (24) Shaw (27)
Line 3 lehkonen (23) kotkaniemi (18) armia (25)
grizzled veterans like byron 29 and weal 26 on the 4th are not really core but neither are they old

Reinforcements coming like poehling 19 Suzuki 19
On D the next wave is mete 20,brook 19, fleury 20, romanov 19.

That is hardly an aging core. yeah the goalie is 31 today and the stud d is 33 and will have to be replaced when they decline just like everyone else. / guys under contract for next year who are over 30. Weise and alzner, both 30, will not be on Nhl roster

obviously the confusion comes from the words “core” and “roster” not being the same. i dont disagree the caps roster is also old, so wheres the argument there? nowhere did i say weber and price snd petry were decrepit and at the end of the line but they are an older core of top players (again, not saying montreal doesnt have good young players or prospects) and they shouldnt be trading away their top players for futures that will be 3-4 years away from being useful when price weber and petry arent.

 

[TFHockey]

Cause you don't need a goalie or you don't value Primeau? I'm guessing you think Rodrigue can potentially be your Primeau down the road?

As stated above we have some good goalie prospects coming. Not an organizational need at this time.