Mrazek's RFA Contract (UPD: Wings File Arbitration)

[Frk It]

Mrazek has yet to prove that he's worth any where near $5 million per for 2 years. I think a deal around $3.75 million for 2 years is way more then fair. Then after these 2 years if he has great seasons then cash in on the big prize.

Guess it would depend on how you define "prove".

His numbers are better than most goalies numbers at this stage in their career.

 

[Run the Jewels]

I don't blame Mrazek for playing hard ball with negotiations, the Wings need him.

Yep, he's going to need to be in the running for league MVP just for this team to have a shot at the playoffs. I don't blame him one bit for asking for a salary commenusrate with what he will be asked to do here. Gotta love Holland signing a bunch of middle of the road vets and potentially creating a massive cap crunch for a team that is probably in the bottom third of the league talent wise.

Serves him right.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I don't blame Mrazek for playing hard ball with negotiations, the Wings need him.

I can definitely were Mrazek and his agent are coming from. Andersen just signed for 5 years $25 million Andersen has started only 31 more games then Mrazek plus Andersen is 2 years older and his record isn't any better then Mrazeks period. Should be interesting next few days here in what kind of offer Mrazek receives.

 

[Henkka]

The problem the Wings have, which probably will be a point in Mrazek's case, is that the Wings are paying the back up 5.25 million a season. Why shouldn't he get at near that figure?

Here's the iron wire for you:

Howard had UFA rights, Mrazek does not. The arbitrator will compare him to fellow RFAs not a bunch of UFAs.

- Age
- Experience in games
- Statistics

And they'll compare him to guys who drop on the same ballpark, against their caphits.

 

[Henkka]

I can definitely were Mrazek and his agent are coming from. Andersen just signed for 5 years $25 million Andersen has started only 31 more games then Mrazek plus Andersen is 2 years older and his record isn't any better then Mrazeks period. Should be interesting next few days here in what kind of offer Mrazek receives.

Bad comparable.

Andersen is 2 years older and his contract included UFA years.

- Andersen had 115 games of NHL game experience (including playoffs) already a year ago. BEfore signing his current 5-year deal, he had played already 163 games in NHL.
- Mrazek has 104 games of NHL experience (including playoffs). That's a HUGE difference.

But if you compare that "year earlier" Andersen to Mrazek's becoming 2-year deal, you take:

- Andersen's season 2015-16 salary with 1.5M
- Next season 2016-17 salary with 5.0M

On average = 3.25M. There's the Mrazek caphit comparable.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

Let's play hardball with two of the Wings better players, so we can use that extra money to overpay our mediocre talent.

 

[Frk It]

Let's play hardball with two of the Wings better players, so we can use that extra money to overpay our mediocre talent.

Wouldn't call it hardball, more just due diligence. Rushing to get a deal done could be worse.

Holland is pretty good at handling RFA's, typically. UFA's or upcoming UFA's are a different story.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

Wouldn't call it hardball, more just due diligence. Rushing to get a deal done could be worse.

Holland is pretty good at handling RFA's, typically. UFA's or upcoming UFA's are a different story.

I'm looking forward to Kenny's "due diligence" when DD is a UFA next year.

Holland has no problem rushing to sign Justin Abdelkader and Jonathan Ericsson to six and seven year contracts in the middle of November. Where was his due diligence there?

 

[Frk It]

I'm looking forward to Kenny's "due diligence" when DD is a UFA next year.

Holland has no problem rushing to sign Justin Abdelkader and Jonathan Ericsson to six and seven year contracts in the middle of November. Where was his due diligence there?

Reportedly, both Dekeyser and the club want a long term deal. So I wouldn't worry about that too much.

Holland has no problem rushing to sign Justin Abdelkader and Jonathan Ericsson to six and seven year contracts in the middle of November. Where was his due diligence there?

As I said, bad at handling UFA's, or soon to be expiring UFA's.

 

[SirloinUB]

Let's play hardball with two of the Wings better players, so we can use that extra money to overpay our mediocre talent.

Dude, this is just the process a ton of RFAs go through. There is nothing noteworthy going on here. Then again, I guess we all should have expected that you would try and spin this into a negative anyway.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

Reportedly, both Dekeyser and the club want a long term deal. So I wouldn't worry about that too much.

He is gonna be a UFA next year if they don't avoid arbitration.

So just overpay and get it over with. It's gonna happen either way, so you might as well do it while he is still an RFA. Especially when you look at the depth chart.

 

[Retire91]

I would like to see a long term contract. All in. The teams future hinges on Mrazek becoming elite. If he doesn't pan out its just another bad contract to throw on Holland's pile to ride out in the decline.

 

[jkutswings]

I'm looking forward to Kenny's "due diligence" when DD is a UFA next year.

Holland has no problem rushing to sign Justin Abdelkader and Jonathan Ericsson to six and seven year contracts in the middle of November. Where was his due diligence there?

Johan Franzen
Jonathan Ericsson
Justin Abdelkader
Darren Helm

If your first name ends with an N, you're in the golden parachute club.

 

[Flowah]

Johan Franzen
Jonathan Ericsson
Justin Abdelkader
Darren Helm

If your first name ends with an N, you're in the golden parachute club.

Illuminati has an N in it.

Coincidence?

 

[DanZ]

Johan Franzen
Jonathan Ericsson
Justin Abdelkader
Darren Helm

If your first name ends with an N, you're in the golden parachute club.

I wouldn't say there was anything wrong with Franzen's contract. He was signed to a very reasonable cap hit for what he was at the time. The injuries were unforeseeable.

 

[Oddbob]

I wouldn't say there was anything wrong with Franzen's contract. He was signed to a very reasonable cap hit for what he was at the time. The injuries were unforeseeable.

Also, Helm and Abdelkader's contracts haven't been a detriment to the team yet, so throwing them in the Ericsson/Howard convo, isn't justified yet. Abdelkader hasn't even started his new cap hit yet, and people are already worrying about the end of the deal, how about relax a little.

 

[njx9]

Also, Helm and Abdelkader's contracts haven't been a detriment to the team yet, so throwing them in the Ericsson/Howard convo, isn't justified yet. Abdelkader hasn't even started his new cap hit yet, and people are already worrying about the end of the deal, how about relax a little.

Yeah, god forbid anyone thinks beyond the tip of their nose about a team they care about. Just like, chill man.

Additionally, it's really specious to suggest that you can't call Helm and Abbie's contracts objectively bad, just because Abbie hasn't started his and Helm's might not be a detriment to the team today.

 

[HockeyinHD]

It's gonna happen either way, so you might as well do it while he is still an RFA.

... so you can then complain about Holland having done ao, with no subsequent degree of self-awareness?

It's smart for Mrazek to press his advantage. Patterson has stalled, Coreau isn't the guy, and Howard is a mess. There's noone in or around the system who can realistically challenge him for his role. This is generally the same situation as Ericsson found himself in when he last came up for a deal.

My guess is Mrazek will end up getting a 4+ mil a year deal now, instead of the 3.5ish I thought he'd get before. Given Detroit's obvious goals, there's no real way they can let him go.

 

[HockeyinHD]

Yeah, god forbid anyone thinks beyond the tip of their nose about a team they care about. Just like, chill man.

Additionally, it's really specious to suggest that you can't call Helm and Abbie's contracts objectively bad, just because Abbie hasn't started his and Helm's might not be a detriment to the team today.

Isn't it equally specious to declare both contracts objectively bad before either player has played a game under them?

Personally, I think it's more than fair to be skeptical of the Helm deal and ambivalent regarding the Abdelkader deal... but I'm also not someone who goes around calling those who'd disagree with either of those assessments 'specious', either.

 

[HockeyinHD]

I would like to see a long term contract. All in. The teams future hinges on Mrazek becoming elite. If he doesn't pan out its just another bad contract to throw on Holland's pile to ride out in the decline.

Being paid like you're elite doesn't make you elite.

 

[njx9]

Isn't it equally specious to declare both contracts objectively bad before either player has played a game under them?

Only if you're under the mistaken impression that players regularly improve after 30, or if you believe the cap will suddenly go up enough to make them irrelevant.

Personally, I think it's more than fair to be skeptical of the Helm deal and ambivalent regarding the Abdelkader deal... but I'm also not someone who goes around calling those who'd disagree with either of those assessments 'specious', either.

It's interesting that you think I called a person specious, as that a) wouldn't make sense and b) would be a personal attack. Is there a reason you're trying to punch below the belt? I gave specific reasons why I thought the argument was specious, and you attack my character. Awesome.

 

[SimplySolace]

So, this is a thing: https://www.instagram.com/p/BIUkRHTAqu7/?taken-by=pmraza34

How we gonna manage arbitration on wednesday with Ken Holland

 

[Run the Jewels]

So, this is a thing: https://www.instagram.com/p/BIUkRHTAqu7/?taken-by=pmraza34

How we gonna manage arbitration on wednesday with Ken Holland

Go get 'em Petr!

 

[Flowah]

Isn't it equally specious to declare both contracts objectively bad before either player has played a game under them?

I'm going to bring back Ian White on a $5M/yr contract for 7 years. Can't call it bad though because he has yet to play a single game under that contract.

Or. Or. Or.

We can live in a world where we use past examples, a player's personal characteristics, common sense, and make reasonable inferences thereupon.

 

[Frk It]

Isn't it equally specious to declare both contracts objectively bad before either player has played a game under them?

Personally, I think it's more than fair to be skeptical of the Helm deal and ambivalent regarding the Abdelkader deal... but I'm also not someone who goes around calling those who'd disagree with either of those assessments 'specious', either.

We have only seen both guys play a couple hundred games in a Wings sweater, are we waiting for them to evolve like a Pokemon?