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PatrikOverAuston

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ManOfSteel55 said:
Not sure what else you expect. If you are going to run at a team's GM, then expect them to give it back.

I expect a reasonable conversation, not attempts to derail it by bringing in unrelated topics? Here's the problem with this viewpoint: you seem to look at criticism of a GM as "taking a run". However, it doesn't have to be personal. Unfortunately, that's not what's happening. Avs fans in this thread feel they have to defend every move Sakic makes with the sort of unerring loyalty owed to blood relatives. I've not seen one even come close to criticizing him, a truly bizarre state of affairs for a team that's plagued with problems up and down the lineup.

Sakic traded O'Reilly for a good package of futures because they were already very strong at forward. You can only pay so many guys #1 centre money.

So strong that barely a year later their top right wing is a 39-year-old and their top six will have one of Blake Comeau or Joe Colborne in it.

It's a completely different situation, the only parallel is that its a good player looking to be paid. O'Reilly was expendable, Barrie probably isn't as much and thus his value is higher until they know for sure what is going to happen with his arbitration.

Yes, completely different situation- expect they're both RFAs repped by the same agent who is known for playing hard-ball for long-term, high-value contracts and Sakic is insisting on his way or the highway all the while headed towards a relationship-killing arbitration process. But other than that, totally different.

Colorado's window is not today. They have a very young team. A team paying a starting goalie a good salary doesn't mean that their "window is open". It means they are trying to build a balanced team for when the window is open.

The window is open because that's how the team's books are structured. If they aren't competitive by 2018, said goalie and Matt Duchene are staring down free agency, with Beauchemin done and Johnson on the wrong side of 30.

Sakic has had literal years to build a balanced team. All he's done is send them back.

Sakic made his on ice team worse in the immediate future, but loaded up the system and gained money to get Soderberg, who isn't as good as O'Reilly, but is playing a role and making a salary more in line with what the Aves needed as opposed to another top liner in O'Reilly.

That same system they let empty out in the first place? Also, as I mentioned before, what exactly was Sakic trying to save for? Between Soderberg's contract and what ROR eventually signed for in Buffalo, there is a difference of $1.8M. That's a fourth liner in today's NHL. It wasn't worth severely downgrading for.

Every team negotiates. Some players want to be paid more than an organization wants to pay them. We know that was the case with ROR, and rightfully so in his situation as he has proven to be worth the kind of money that Colorado can't pay him.

Easily could have. Chose not to.

There is nothing wrong with Sakic wanting Barrie to show him more (be it in a more complete game or whatever they want) before giving him a big money, long term contract. Barrie is a good player but not without some flaws, a GM is smart to not want to cripple the team long-term for a player they aren't sure is the long-term fit.

Right, so if he's not sure after two seasons around 50 points, he needs to deal with that TODAY. It's not a good idea whatsoever to allow Barrie to sign a contract that hinders his value as an asset just in case the one extra year he's really affording himself to make a decision turns out to justify his suspicions.

Soderberg doesn't need to reach O'Reilly numbers. He needs to be an adequate 2nd line center. He is that. O'Reilly was that, but was capable of more and wanted to be paid to do more.

A whole John Mitchell more. Wow, what a burden on the Colorado Avalanche.

Colorado's performance last year also isn't a result of Soderberg. Like Edmonton, they are looking to balance their team. You can't blame Soderberg any more than you can blame any one Oiler for us being so bad again last year.

Sakic "balanced" his team by acquiring a bunch of prospects. How can you balance a roster with players who aren't ready for the show, now and maybe not ever?

When you are trading a guy who wants to be a #1 centre and wants #1 centre money, but isn't your teams #1 centre and has made it known that he wants top dollar regardless of the role he will take on the team, it makes sense. It wasn't O'Reilly for Soderberg. It was O'Reilly for Soderberg and a pile of very good prospects. A net win for Sakic, much like Hall for Larsson and Lucic is going to be a net positive for Chiarelli. I'm sure if Sakic could have gotten a #1 defenseman for O'Reilly, he would have.

I'd be upset with Chiarelli if he'd chosen a pile of prospects over a (supposedly) lesser today NHL player, because the Oilers are competing TODAY. If the Avs aren't, they need to dismantle what they have. Full stop.

Hindsight, 20/20. The year before O'Reilly's value might not have been the same. The positions Sakic wanted to fill also might not have been possible with trade. We've seen that in Edmonton for years.

You're right, we did that see here; Petry was traded for picks a year after MacT turned out a long-term deal because he felt he wasn't worth it. Sakic and MacT actually have a great deal in common as GMs.

It's Sakic's job to fix that problem. Probably is a big part of why they don't want to trade Barrie for beans.

Great, so he shouldn't put himself in a position where beans are the only thing on the menu. That means dealing with it today.

Colorado has had the same problem with Edmonton in terms of scouting. Lots of top end draft picks means lots of young guys who make the NHL right away and not much for the prospect pool.

It's worse than that for both teams and I think you know that. Neither team has found much in the later rounds. The Avs hit on Barrie and O'Reilly, so there's that, but since the incredible fortuitous 2009 Draft they've gotten all of 200 NHL games out of their second-day picks since- and 40 of those come from a player now in a different organization.

A successful team has a strong prospect pool that they can lean on when necessary. How is Sakic strengthening his prospect pool a bad thing?

Because his scouts, as noted, should have been able to take care of that without sacrificing a first-line NHL player. That's absolutely brutal asset management. There are UFAs who go as deadline who return just as much in potential- never mind 24-year-olds.

Using that logic, no team with a bad drafting record should be trading for prospects.

You're right, they probably shouldn't trust those same scouts who can't assess talent. Why is that weird or bad? You wouldn't let a doctor who accidentally attached your arm to your face perform any other operations on you.

Quite frankly, that makes no sense, especially when dealing with prospects who are nearly universally considered to be very good.

According to who- the scouts who thought Joey Hishon, Duncan Siemens and Connor Bleackley were fine first round selections?

Do you truly know if O'Reilly's value was lower when he was traded? For all we know the offers might have been basically the same, and in that case, why not get the extra year out of him.

If that was the case and you knew his value wasn't anything of substance, why not then sign the damn guy? Be it one year or the other, you're essentially stating Sakic chose to make his team worse on purpose.

I'm sure if a trade to fill a hole long term was there for O'Reilly, he would have taken it. The fact is that everyone knew that ROR was looking to get paid, so other GM's might needed to see more from him before making an offer.

Yes, so many GMs were unconvinced of his abilities that one team sent him an unprecedented offer sheet to pry him away.
 

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Iginla waiving doesn't seem that implausible. It is the summer which makes relocating a family much easier, he is from Edmonton, he has a past working relationship with Chiarelli, and there is also the McDavid effect. From an on ice perspective, Colorado hasn't lived up to expectations in Iginla's two seasons. Obviously, Edmonton is far from a sure thing to even make the playoffs, but the opportunity to possibly spend your last year helping mentor the "next one" instead of spending it in Colorado where on ice success won't be a given might be tempting. It isn't like he'd be going from a surefire contender like Chicago to Edmonton.

With that said, if there was any mutual desire for Iginla to be moved to Edmonton, I'm sure we would have heard a rumour or something by now. His name hasn't come up at all in the COL/EDM trade rumours, so I wouldn't bet on it.
 

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Iginla could waive. He and his wife are from the Edmonton area after all and I think that's where they plan on settling down after retiring. Plus he knows Chiarelli and Lucic from Boston and playing with McDavid and all the bruhaha.

Anaheim is tricky because they want a LW but they don't want to take on any salary, kinda hard to make that work. Oilers doing them a large favor here by taking Stoner off their hands. It's rumored they were interested in Pouliot before though, he wouldn't be a bad fit. He's similar to Perron but brings more speed/size.

First, there was no one credible that mentioned that rumor.

Second, we give up Fowler and get Reinhart and Pouliot? Give me a freaking break man...

If we just had to shed salary, we'd trade Cogliano for a pick.
 

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That you'd never get more than scratch-offs some years out from impacting the roster in a real way? Well, those people were more pessimistic about Sakic's management than I am, I'll tell you what.

You can keep talking about the long run, but if you want your CURRENT players to hang around beyond 2019, you better be good in that period- or willing to compete with market salaries. Sakic hasn't shown an interest or aptitude for either.

This narrative would work a lot better if Sakic hadn't signed Duchene, Landeskog, EJ, and Varlamov to long term extensions, with MacKinnon soon to join that list. Or if Sakic had not signed the best Center on the market last summer (at a good price), while also adding one of the best LHD available in that same UFA-period. Yes ROR wanted out and we couldn't change his mind, and Barrie hasn't been extended yet; but that doesn't mean you can start pretending that the Avs are the NHL's version of the Browns...

Nor can you just wave off futures in a trade based around futures:
-Zadorov is an excellent dman prospect with truly exceptional talent & creativity; who did well playing top-4 minutes with Beauchemin last year...after having played well in Buffalo before the tank broke his spirits. He exists and pretty soon he'll be the avs best dman; even if Barrie decides not to listen to your advice & sticks around.
-Grigorenko has already shown he's an NHLer with a very sound two-way game, a very intelligent passing game, and a shot that he really needs to use a lot more than he does. As he worked his way up the lineup and earned a scoring-line role; so to did his production grow. He needs to show he can produce at a top 6 rate over the course of a full season, but he's certainly shown the talent, game, and mindset to do so now that Roy has him back on track.
-Compher is very likely to spend much of this season on the avs and should win a top 9 (if not top 6) job by season's end; after having played a big part in Connor's unreal NCAA season.
-The draft pick acquired in this trade was used to re-acquire their own picks in this draft, while also adding AJ Greer to the prospect pool; Greer, who just had a phenomenal post-draft season, and has made some very big strides in a short time.

These guys are real, and ignoring them is asinine when the Avs settled on a future's-based return for their contractual-problem-child...whom I love and would've gladly kept if only he had been willing to sign in Colorado for the same amount he took from Buffalo.

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The only way I think he moves is if there really is some internal budget in Colorado or he requests to be moved for whatever reason.

...Colorado was a cap team last season...
 

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Reports that MTL was asking for Drai, 4th overall, Nurse/Klefbom and Yak are just ridiculous. Thats a reasonable asking price seeing as hes a top 10 dman in the league, but that would have been just stupid to pay from the Oilers perspective.

Do you know that for sure? Because it doesn't sound right. Montreal didn't really get a big haul on Subban...why would Montreal demand an exorbitant amount from Oilers ? Habs could have flipped one of those assets for a good defenseman and still kept Draisatl and Klefbom in their back pocket. Like a Hall for Larsson or Fowler type trade. Or if Oilers wanted to keep Draistalt flip the pick if that is who you wish to include instead of Draisatl.
 

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Do you know that for sure? Because it doesn't sound right. Montreal didn't really get a big haul on Subban...why would Montreal demand an exorbitant amount from Oilers ? Habs could have flipped one of those assets for a good defenseman and still kept Draisatl and Klefbom in their back pocket. Like a Hall for Larsson or Fowler type trade. Or if Oilers wanted to keep Draistalt flip the pick if that is who you wish to include instead of Draisatl.

Montreal got one of the best D-men in the league in exchange for one of the best D-man in the league.
Contracts aside, thats pretty fair. Bergevin will not be around in 5 years so what does he care.

That really wasn't an exorbitant amount. Anyone comparing Subban to Larsson is dreaming.

Edmonton really did not need any of those pieces. Drai, 4th overall, Nurse/Klefbom and Yak.....

They really did not need a draft pick, Draisitl currently slots as a third centre because of depth, Yakupov fetches nothing on the open market except low picks, and we don't really know enough about nurse except that he might be ok.

If you replace the name Subban with Drew Doughty, All of a sudden those names become reasonable in a trade
 

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Montreal got one of the best D-men in the league in exchange for one of the best D-man in the league.
Contracts aside, thats pretty fair. Bergevin will not be around in 5 years so what does he care.

That really wasn't an exorbitant amount. Anyone comparing Subban to Larsson is dreaming.

Edmonton really did not need any of those pieces. Drai, 4th overall, Nurse/Klefbom and Yak.....

They really did not need a draft pick, Draisitl currently slots as a third centre because of depth, Yakupov fetches nothing on the open market except low picks, and we don't really know enough about nurse except that he might be ok.

If you replace the name Subban with Drew Doughty, All of a sudden those names become reasonable in a trade

I think you are very miaguided if you believe Edmonton didn't need any of the pieces asked for in the Subban trade. A bunch of high end cost controlled assets, all with size. Yak is about the only one truly expendable, Klefbom is a complete non starter as he is our best D on a steal of a contract. Nurse is expansion exempt and has the highest ceiling of our D prospects (amazing how a team who has had a bad D would want to keep and develop their own after having to pay through the nose for mediocre ones)
 

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I expect a reasonable conversation, not attempts to derail it by bringing in unrelated topics? Here's the problem with this viewpoint: you seem to look at criticism of a GM as "taking a run". However, it doesn't have to be personal. Unfortunately, that's not what's happening. Avs fans in this thread feel they have to defend every move Sakic makes with the sort of unerring loyalty owed to blood relatives. I've not seen one even come close to criticizing him, a truly bizarre state of affairs for a team that's plagued with problems up and down the lineup.



So strong that barely a year later their top right wing is a 39-year-old and their top six will have one of Blake Comeau or Joe Colborne in it.



Yes, completely different situation- expect they're both RFAs repped by the same agent who is known for playing hard-ball for long-term, high-value contracts and Sakic is insisting on his way or the highway all the while headed towards a relationship-killing arbitration process. But other than that, totally different.



The window is open because that's how the team's books are structured. If they aren't competitive by 2018, said goalie and Matt Duchene are staring down free agency, with Beauchemin done and Johnson on the wrong side of 30.

Sakic has had literal years to build a balanced team. All he's done is send them back.



That same system they let empty out in the first place? Also, as I mentioned before, what exactly was Sakic trying to save for? Between Soderberg's contract and what ROR eventually signed for in Buffalo, there is a difference of $1.8M. That's a fourth liner in today's NHL. It wasn't worth severely downgrading for.



Easily could have. Chose not to.



Right, so if he's not sure after two seasons around 50 points, he needs to deal with that TODAY. It's not a good idea whatsoever to allow Barrie to sign a contract that hinders his value as an asset just in case the one extra year he's really affording himself to make a decision turns out to justify his suspicions.



A whole John Mitchell more. Wow, what a burden on the Colorado Avalanche.



Sakic "balanced" his team by acquiring a bunch of prospects. How can you balance a roster with players who aren't ready for the show, now and maybe not ever?



I'd be upset with Chiarelli if he'd chosen a pile of prospects over a (supposedly) lesser today NHL player, because the Oilers are competing TODAY. If the Avs aren't, they need to dismantle what they have. Full stop.



You're right, we did that see here; Petry was traded for picks a year after MacT turned out a long-term deal because he felt he wasn't worth it. Sakic and MacT actually have a great deal in common as GMs.



Great, so he shouldn't put himself in a position where beans are the only thing on the menu. That means dealing with it today.



It's worse than that for both teams and I think you know that. Neither team has found much in the later rounds. The Avs hit on Barrie and O'Reilly, so there's that, but since the incredible fortuitous 2009 Draft they've gotten all of 200 NHL games out of their second-day picks since- and 40 of those come from a player now in a different organization.



Because his scouts, as noted, should have been able to take care of that without sacrificing a first-line NHL player. That's absolutely brutal asset management. There are UFAs who go as deadline who return just as much in potential- never mind 24-year-olds.



You're right, they probably shouldn't trust those same scouts who can't assess talent. Why is that weird or bad? You wouldn't let a doctor who accidentally attached your arm to your face perform any other operations on you.



According to who- the scouts who thought Joey Hishon, Duncan Siemens and Connor Bleackley were fine first round selections?



If that was the case and you knew his value wasn't anything of substance, why not then sign the damn guy? Be it one year or the other, you're essentially stating Sakic chose to make his team worse on purpose.



Yes, so many GMs were unconvinced of his abilities that one team sent him an unprecedented offer sheet to pry him away.

[MOD] Rebuilding is a long process, Avs hope to have it done faster than the Oilers. How many 1st overall picks and you are still a lottery team? Worry about your own team and leave us out of it.

Sakic has only been there for 3 years, this will be his 4th. In his time he hasn't drafted any of those people that you have talked about, only fired the head scout that did in fact draft them. His first act of business was selecting MacKinnon 1st overall. Pretty good one there!

From the second that Duchene signed his $6 million contract, ROR has always wanted that much money as well. At the time of Duchene signing, he was not worth it. As time pushed along, Landeskog became captain and that I am sure pissed off ROR and from then on he was hell-bent on leaving. We got 4 very good assets from his trade out of town and all should be a big part of this team. Talking about sacrificing a top-line winger...Your team just got rid of yours sending him out, just like we did 2 years ago. Although I along with 95% of the NHL fans out there would feel we got a much better return than your trade.

As far as all the Soderberg talk, he is signed for a great deal, long term, and fits the role needed on this team. He wasn't brought in to completely fill in for ROR but he did pretty good last year in putting up career numbers in his first year on a team "riddle with holes in the line up". Oh, and by the way, Soderberg got more points then everyone on your team except for the player that you just traded away.

So you may bash us all you want, I won't stop supporting Joe in what he has done, even if everyone outside of the Avs is blind to it. ROR is a hell of a player and I would have loved to have things work with him, however, I am happy with the trade and the way things are going for our future.

So with soderberg/zadorov/grigorenko/compher/greer for ROR and McGinn +7th rounder To Bos (also add in the loss of the constant black cloud over the contract talks with ROR) I am pretty sure I'd do the move over again in a heartbeat.
 
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[MOD] Rebuilding is a long process, Avs hope to have it done faster than the Oilers. How many 1st overall picks and you are still a lottery team? Worry about your own team and leave us out of it.

Sakic has only been there for 3 years, this will be his 4th. In his time he hasn't drafted any of those people that you have talked about, only fired the head scout that did in fact draft them. His first act of business was selecting MacKinnon 1st overall. Pretty good one there!

From the second that Duchene signed his $6 million contract, ROR has always wanted that much money as well. At the time of Duchene signing, he was not worth it. As time pushed along, Landeskog became captain and that I am sure pissed off ROR and from then on he was hell-bent on leaving. We got 4 very good assets from his trade out of town and all should be a big part of this team. Talking about sacrificing a top-line winger...Your team just got rid of yours sending him out, just like we did 2 years ago. Although I along with 95% of the NHL fans out there would feel we got a much better return than your trade.

As far as all the Soderberg talk, he is signed for a great deal, long term, and fits the role needed on this team. He wasn't brought in to completely fill in for ROR but he did pretty good last year in putting up career numbers in his first year on a team "riddle with holes in the line up". Oh, and by the way, Soderberg got more points then everyone on your team except for the player that you just traded away.

So you may bash us all you want, I won't stop supporting Joe in what he has done, even if everyone outside of the Avs is blind to it. ROR is a hell of a player and I would have loved to have things work with him, however, I am happy with the trade and the way things are going for our future.

So with soderberg/zadorov/grigorenko/compher/greer for ROR and McGinn +7th rounder To Bos (also add in the loss of the constant black cloud over the contract talks with ROR) I am pretty sure I'd do the move over again in a heartbeat.

It's actually Soderberg, Zadorov, Grigorenko, Compher, Greer/Meloche (not sure which one we would have taken if we hadn't gotten the extra pick), Morrison and our 2017 6th back for ROR, McGinn and a 6th.
 
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I think you are very miaguided if you believe Edmonton didn't need any of the pieces asked for in the Subban trade. A bunch of high end cost controlled assets, all with size. Yak is about the only one truly expendable, Klefbom is a complete non starter as he is our best D on a steal of a contract. Nurse is expansion exempt and has the highest ceiling of our D prospects (amazing how a team who has had a bad D would want to keep and develop their own after having to pay through the nose for mediocre ones)
You're not putting either of the two centers in the third line to put draisitl in there. Period. No need to talk about cost.

Klefbom is your best d man? He hasn't even played a full season since being drafted has he?? PK is a top five defender now. He has won a norris. Have klefbom or nurse done that? Its time for oilers fans to stop relying on draft picks that may or may not pan out. There's nothing wrong with going out and acquiring true proven talent via trade
 

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You're not putting either of the two centers in the third line to put draisitl in there. Period. No need to talk about cost.

Klefbom is your best d man? He hasn't even played a full season since being drafted has he?? PK is a top five defender now. He has won a norris. Have klefbom or nurse done that? Its time for oilers fans to stop relying on draft picks that may or may not pan out. There's nothing wrong with going out and acquiring true proven talent via trade

Nobody is saying Klefbom or Nurse are comparable to Subban. But the fact is that if we made that trade, our defense would be only slightly better, we would still need to go out and find at least one top 4 guy, and we would have traded all of the assets we could spare for one player. It was too much value for us to give up for one player, and would have completely gutted our team.

With Subban in and that package out our defense looks like this:

Sekera - Subban
Davidson - Fayne
David Musil - Griffin Reinhart

4 guys who are bottom pairing, 2 who probably should be in the AHL. And let's look at the forwards now

Lucic - McDavid - Eberle
Maroon - RNH - Kassian
Pouliot - Letestu - Iiro Pakarinen
Hendricks - Lander - Tyler Pitlick??

So we wouldn't even have anyone we could have traded to fill our 2nd defense pair at that point. 4 or 5 AHL caliber players on that roster. And 11 players playing above what they should be. And if injuries hit? Oh man, hello Nolan Patrick, welcome to Edmonton. The team would have been no better off than we were last year. You can't blow your entire wad on one player, and that's what the Subban trade was going to do.
 

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A lot of talk about the Avs and how they're run from someone who doesn't know much about the Avs.

Neat.

Welcome to the club.

Edmonton fans have been dealing with this for ten years.

Edit: I'm not defending the Edmonton fans' arguments in this thread, for the record.
 

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[MOD] Rebuilding is a long process, Avs hope to have it done faster than the Oilers. How many 1st overall picks and you are still a lottery team? Worry about your own team and leave us out of it.

Sakic has only been there for 3 years, this will be his 4th. In his time he hasn't drafted any of those people that you have talked about, only fired the head scout that did in fact draft them. His first act of business was selecting MacKinnon 1st overall. Pretty good one there!

From the second that Duchene signed his $6 million contract, ROR has always wanted that much money as well. At the time of Duchene signing, he was not worth it. As time pushed along, Landeskog became captain and that I am sure pissed off ROR and from then on he was hell-bent on leaving. We got 4 very good assets from his trade out of town and all should be a big part of this team. Talking about sacrificing a top-line winger...Your team just got rid of yours sending him out, just like we did 2 years ago. Although I along with 95% of the NHL fans out there would feel we got a much better return than your trade.

As far as all the Soderberg talk, he is signed for a great deal, long term, and fits the role needed on this team. He wasn't brought in to completely fill in for ROR but he did pretty good last year in putting up career numbers in his first year on a team "riddle with holes in the line up". Oh, and by the way, Soderberg got more points then everyone on your team except for the player that you just traded away.

So you may bash us all you want, I won't stop supporting Joe in what he has done, even if everyone outside of the Avs is blind to it. ROR is a hell of a player and I would have loved to have things work with him, however, I am happy with the trade and the way things are going for our future.

So with soderberg/zadorov/grigorenko/compher/greer for ROR and McGinn +7th rounder To Bos (also add in the loss of the constant black cloud over the contract talks with ROR) I am pretty sure I'd do the move over again in a heartbeat.
I don't think the Avs should be calling anyone out for lottery picks :laugh:
This is Chiarelli's 2nd year as GM of the Oilers and it's obvious he's not content to stock pile picks and forwards like previous regimes
 
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It just seems so weird that a radio show host as become such a regular name mentioned around here.

I really think that its because he is the only one still churning out "rumors" for us diehards to latch on to. His rumors don't mean much, but without them we would all have to admit that its summer and hockey stuff won't be happening much for a couple of months.
 

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I don't think the Avs should be calling anyone out for lottery picks :laugh:
This is Chiarelli's 2nd year as GM of the Oilers and it's obvious he's not content to stock pile picks and forwards like previous regimes

Yeah cus obviously this is Sakic's 10th season as the Avs gm and hasn't made moves to improve the team. Definitely never bothered to address any needs at all. Definitely hasn't trimmed the fat and gotten rid of waste.

Weird that the Avs barely missed the playoffs and have only had 3 top 3 picks in less than 10 years. Definitely close to what the Oilers have achieved.
 

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I don't think the Avs should be calling anyone out for lottery picks :laugh:
This is Chiarelli's 2nd year as GM of the Oilers and it's obvious he's not content to stock pile picks and forwards like previous regimes

The Oilers have had a top 4 pick in 6 of the last 7 drafts.

The Avs have had a top 4 pick in 3 of the last 8 drafts.
 

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The Oilers have had a top 4 pick in 6 of the last 7 drafts.

The Avs have had a top 4 pick in 3 of the last 8 drafts.

All I'm really seeing here is:

- Oil have been "consistently bad for a long time"; and
- Avs have been "periodically bad for just as long".

So, yay?
 

Homesick

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Yeah cus obviously this is Sakic's 10th season as the Avs gm and hasn't made moves to improve the team. Definitely never bothered to address any needs at all. Definitely hasn't trimmed the fat and gotten rid of waste.

Weird that the Avs barely missed the playoffs and have only had 3 top 3 picks in less than 10 years. Definitely close to what the Oilers have achieved.

The Oilers have had a top 4 pick in 6 of the last 7 drafts.

The Avs have had a top 4 pick in 3 of the last 8 drafts.
Your entire franchise has been built on top 5 picks. :laugh:
I'm not saying the Oilers haven't been brutal for the past decade but the Avs, Pens, and Panthers are the last teams that should be calling out anyone for top picks. Or maybe you're not old enough to remember the 6 top 5 picks the Nords had in 5 years
 

Mighty Makar

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The Oilers have been the laughing stock of the league for a decade. It's not even close!
 

McWeber

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It just seems so weird that a radio show host as become such a regular name mentioned around here.

Chiarelli hasn't been as loose lipped as the previous regime. Stauffer is on the payroll and tries to sway the general public prior to deals. He tends to be pretty vague and almost never makes bold statements but its really all we have. Besides the Oiler's Management he also has good relationships with some of player agents (especially those who are Edmonton based) and occasionally that will lead to something credible (Shattenkirk unwilling to sign in Edmonton).
 
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