canucks4ever
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Bobby's Orr's peak is underrated, his GVT and goals for/goals against ratio are just insane, arguably the most dominant athlete of any team sport.
1. Brian Propp
2. Rick Middleton
3. JG Talbot
4. Rod Langway (I know he's in the HoF but you rarely see his name bought up in any discussions)
5. Ed Westfall
6. Rogie Vachon
7. Don Marcotte
8. Calle Johanson
9. Camille Henry
10. Jimmy Thomson
Not really underrated but should get more acolytes: Bobby Baun
Bruin who's underrated by Bruins fans: Eddie Johnston
Dave Andreychuk is heavily underrated. His ability in front of the net in his prime put Holmstrom to shame. The fact that he scored 640 goals over his career and still isn't in the hall is staggering.
In defense of the Hall, though, the number of HoF eligible players from the last 7 or 8 seasons that deserved to make it far outweights the number of possible inductees over that period of time, though I still think that the mix-up in 2010 where only Ciccarelli, Granato and Angela James were selected (supposedly the voters thought they could still only vote for/induct 4 players total, not 4 males and 2 females as is the actual rule) is also partly to blame.
Never hear anything about HÃ¥kan Loob. He is/was huge here in sweden but he is the only swede who has scored over 50 goals in the NHL. It's a shame he didn't stay in the NHL...
Dave Andreychuk is heavily underrated. His ability in front of the net in his prime put Holmstrom to shame. The fact that he scored 640 goals over his career and still isn't in the hall is staggering.
In defense of the Hall, though, the number of HoF eligible players from the last 7 or 8 seasons that deserved to make it far outweights the number of possible inductees over that period of time, though I still think that the mix-up in 2010 where only Ciccarelli, Granato and Angela James were selected (supposedly the voters thought they could still only vote for/induct 4 players total, not 4 males and 2 females as is the actual rule) is also partly to blame.
Never hear anything about HÃ¥kan Loob. He is/was huge here in sweden but he is the only swede who has scored 50 goals in the NHL. It's a shame he didn't stay in the NHL...
Bobby's Orr's peak is underrated, his GVT and goals for/goals against ratio are just insane, arguably the most dominant athlete of any team sport.
HÃ¥kan Loob is an overrated guy here in Sweden which happened to play during the high scoring eighties in the NHL.
I would totally disagree and say most people do realize how good he was considering he is ranked the 3rd greatest of all time, not exactly underrated, maybe underappreciated
Oh c'mon. How is Orr underrated by being rocksolid in the top 4? Orr's peak or prime are below Gretzky no matter how you look at it. Lemieux is debatable. Orr has Howe beaten on peak, but Howe had 10 more years of prime than Orr ever played. My top four is is Gretzky, Howe, Orr, Lemieux. On my top 100 players like Lindros, Forsberg and Ovechkin have no place. I value longevity and staying healthy as a very important factor for any employee.
I nominate:
Jere Lehtinen !!!
Teemu Selänne
Pekka Rautakallio
Reijo RUotsalainen !
Matti Hagman
Raimo Helminen
Steve Yzerman
He was, for a three or four year span, considered "on par" with Gretzky and Lemieux. Hard to do, that.
Chris Chelios
Look at the Chelios/Leetch/Housley and Chelios/Pronger/Stevens polls. The fact that Leetch and Stevens are getting votes ahead of Chelios is an absolutely insane suggestion to anyone who actually watched them all play during their careers. I'll leave the long-winded argument about that stuff for those threads.
Steve Yzerman
He was, for a three or four year span, considered "on par" with Gretzky and Lemieux. Hard to do, that.
Sergei Zubov- the guy didnt even crack the top 60 on the best defensemen of all-time list on these boards when Scott Niedermayer was about 20th. Point proven.
Jere Lehtinen
Petr Stastny
Ray Whitney
Craig Hartsburg
1. Yzerman is overrated.
2. I find your criteria interesting, 'considered 'on par' with Gretzky and Lemieux. By who? You? And regardless, its interesting coming from a poster who constantly bashes Messier, a player who actually WAS considered on par with Gretzky and Lemieux (Conn Smythe over 99, Harts/Pearsons/All-star berths over both).
In another thread, I forget which one, a poster had dug up an article from the 1990 ASG regarding the Hart favorites. The article mentioned none of Yzerman, Gretzky, or Lemieux among Hart favorites (IIRC it picked LaFontaine, Bourque, Messier) but did specify them as the best players. As I said, I don't recall the specific wording.
In 1987-88, Steve Yzerman was considered the favorite for the Hart trophy when he barreled into the goal post knee-first, ending his regular season.
In particular, I recall an issue of THN (I think) that featured a cover with an image of Yzerman, an image of Lemieux, and an image of Gretzky, and the question "Who's the best?" laid over the images.
In 1988-89, Steve Yzerman outscored Wayne Gretzky at even strength during Gretzky's prime and was only one point behind Lemieux at even strength. He won the Pearson that year.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that pp/pk is an important part of hockey too right?
I own an issue of Sports Illustrated from 88 or 89 with Mario on the cover and a headline that reads "As great as Gretzky?". I don't recall the one with Yzerman, maybe I missed that issue.
Yzerman wasn't underrated at all. It was always Mario and Wayne flip flopping, but Steve as the 3rd best center was quite a few notches below them.
In another thread, I forget which one, a poster had dug up an article from the 1990 ASG regarding the Hart favorites. The article mentioned none of Yzerman, Gretzky, or Lemieux among Hart favorites (IIRC it picked LaFontaine, Bourque, Messier) but did specify them as the best players. As I said, I don't recall the specific wording.
In 1987-88, Steve Yzerman was considered the favorite for the Hart trophy when he barreled into the goal post knee-first, ending his regular season.
In particular, I recall an issue of THN (I think) that featured a cover with an image of Yzerman, an image of Lemieux, and an image of Gretzky, and the question "Who's the best?" laid over the images.
In 1988-89, Steve Yzerman outscored Wayne Gretzky at even strength during Gretzky's prime and was only one point behind Lemieux at even strength. He won the Pearson that year.
Robert Svehla was a pretty great all-around defender who never gets talked about. Not a Norris contender, but he was a rock back there for some bad Florida teams. I heard Rhett Warrener on the radio recently, saying that Florida basically played 5-on-4 when Bure was on the ice, and that the only reason Bure got so many breakaways was because Svehla was so ridiculously good at breaking up plays and passing the puck up to him.
Also: Todd Marchant. In his prime, one of the best checking centers of his era and he never got as much as a pity vote for the Selke. In particular, it was a crime that he wasn't even nominated in 2001, a year he was good enough to win. Also, flat-out the fastest skater of the era.