You also said that he wouldn't stick to the NHL...
We probably could have leaned on him for even more minutes too if we really wanted. But it was probably good that we didn't.
You have a boatload of stats in favour of Rielly, both traditional and advanced and very little in favour of Sieder. You have a guy who is a proven 1D on a top-4 team this season vs a rookie on a team going nowhere.
You are entitled to your opinion but the facts don’t bear it out. Not this season at least.
Yes, you found one advanced stat that favours Sieder and another that slightly favours Rielly. You can add those two too all the others I previously posted that favour Rielly, and you get the end result that as of right now Rielly is clearly the better player.
I never said Seider was the better player, I was contesting your argument that Rielly is better and that "it isn't even close". I provided statistics that actually included context like the strength of the team/opponent.
I tend to agree - but TOI is a coaching decision and our coach was an idiot - so I can't put too much stock in that.
You only provided two new advanced stats CF% and FF%, which I did address, but lets go over this all again and summarize the cases for both players. The stats you quoted: relCF% favors Rielly, relFF% favors Sieder. Straight Corsi%, Fenwick% both strongly favor Rielly. So Rielly has the edge in advanced stats.
I provided stats that put CF% and FF% into context. You attempted to use them by themselves to show that Rielly was "clearly better", but when actually accounting for context like the strength of linemates/opponents it was shown that your argument was incredibly flawed, in that based on your own standards they are roughly in a similar boat in terms of impact on possession.
Please explain to me why you think this argument is in any way reasonable or persuasive.
I am still waiting for you to demonstrate the bolded.
You can’t seem to grasp that almost every stat you posted is heavily influenced on the team you play for?
This is getting silly, the evidence for Rielly being better then Sieder right now is what I have stated: better advanced stats, better traditional stats and those numbers actually translating to helping his team be successful, while he is playing one of the most important on-ice roles for siad team (ie. 1D). If you don’t want to acknowledge any of these obvious facts then I don’t know what else there is to say.
Look, there is one stat in the whole pile that has been bandied about so far that favours Sieder which is relative FF%. Literally every other stat favours Rielly. It is absurd to suggest that the stats don’t paint Rielly as the better player this season.
He has better raw CF% and FF% numbers, but when accounting for context those numbers show that they are both in a similar boat. I'm not saying it, as a matter of fact, I am using your own reasoning. I am also saying that the gap between the two isn't nearly as wide as you claim.
When you take into account the teams they play for you understand that this argument is ridiculous.
I addressed them in my first post. Did you not read it?
You seem to be willfully ignoring evidence. In almost every stat both traditional and advanced paint Rielly as better player right now then Sieder, but your method of "addressing" this so far has been to say that "well he is on a better team, thus all the statistical evidence that favors Rielly is invalid", while also ignoring the fact that Rielly being a very good defenceman is an essential reason the Leafs have been such a good team this year.
It is clear after several posts you can’t even understand my position.
It is clear after several posts that you are discounting the statistical evidence while also not offering anything of substance to actually refute it and back your counter-argument.
