Moritz Seider will win Calder Trophy and it's not even close. Period.

[ArGarBarGar]

Half the season is a small sample size? What would you define as a large sample size?

Larger than half a season of work off the heels of a coaching change.

For the record, I am not saying the coaching change is the only reason he succeeded, I am saying circumstances may change and his performance immediately after a coaching change may be flawed due to the team/system dynamics in play at that point in time.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Yes, the numbers from one portion of a single season seem to imply Caufield could do better. But that is an incredibly small sample size you are working with, there.

Not to mention Raymond is younger and he's not a one dimensional goalscorer. The guy is a legit playmaker and 2-way winger. I can see Raymond hitting 30g 50a 80pts in a season eventually. Zegras also looks like he will eventually become a point per game playmaking center. Who really knew about Sonny Milano outside of Anaheim before this year? Or how about Troy Terry? Their performances were lifted by playing with Zegras.

I don't think Caulfield is going to make that level of impact even if he hits 40 goals a season.

 

[lwvs84]

Not to mention Raymond is younger and he's not a one dimensional goalscorer. The guy is a legit playmaker and 2-way winger. I can see Raymond hitting 30g 50a 80pts in a season eventually. Zegras also looks like he will eventually become a point per game playmaking center. Who really knew about Sonny Milano outside of Anaheim before this year? Or how about Troy Terry? Their performances were lifted by playing with Zegras.

I don't think Caulfield is going to make that level of impact even if he hits 40 goals a season.

Terry and Zegras don't really play together except mid-line change. They had about 3 games together this season? They're even on different PP units. Zegras played mostly with Milano and Rakell, and rotating wings when one of the two are out. He may have played more games with Derek Grant/Buddy Robinson/Nic Deslaurier/Gerry Mayhew than Terry. Ducks fans can't wait to see what he can do with legitimate top 6 linemates.

 

[GM Armchair]

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Do you think Raymond was a better player than Seider this year?

It’s hard for a defenceman to win the Calder, especially when 42% of his points come from the PP.

Edited because I am dumb

 

[Holymakinaw]

I still think Seider will win, I don't think Caufield will be nominated nor should he be based on half a year's performance part of being a player in this league is consistency. But I do think Caufield will end up a better scorer in the long term than the forwards who are nominated, and yes the numbers from the last half of the season bear that out.

Guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit huh?

What's the point of even bringing his name up then?

As Chris Rock once noted "Talking about Caufield when discussing the Calder, is like me boycotting Rihanna's panties.........I wasn't invited."

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Tw

That’s a loaded question. It’s hard for a defenceman to win the Calder, especially when 42% of his points come from the PP.

But...that's typically how high scoring players score. Guys at the top of NHL scoring usually have 30+% of their points with the man advantage.

Detroit scored 37 (!!!) powerplay goals and Seider was involved in 21 of them. The fact that Seider got a lot of powerplay points on a team whose powerplay was otherwise atrocious should not be held against him.

 

[Colezuki]

What's the point of even bringing his name up then?

As Chris Rock once noted "Talking about Caufield when discussing the Calder, is like me boycotting Rihanna's panties.........I wasn't invited."

Because someone else did? Jesus christ [MOD], go back and follow the thread

 

[ArGarBarGar]

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It’s hard for a defenceman to win the Calder, especially when 42% of his points come from the PP.

Edited because I am dumb

Gotcha.

The benefit for Seider in this instance is he provided solid offensive numbers as a defenseman, WHILE also taking on some of the toughest minutes in the league and playing exceptionally well defensively (room to grow for sure, but way ahead of most defenders his age).

Raymond had a solid offensive season, but he fell back considerably. Between him and Zegras I would take Zegras every time, and I think both don't quite reach the level of Seider for this season.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Because someone else did? Jesus christ are you daft, go back and follow the thread

Also, Caufield will likely never score much. He's too small. Teeny guy like him will be injured a lot in his career.

 

[Gliff]

Not to mention Raymond is younger and he's not a one dimensional goalscorer. The guy is a legit playmaker and 2-way winger. I can see Raymond hitting 30g 50a 80pts in a season eventually. Zegras also looks like he will eventually become a point per game playmaking center. Who really knew about Sonny Milano outside of Anaheim before this year? Or how about Troy Terry? Their performances were lifted by playing with Zegras.

I don't think Caulfield is going to make that level of impact even if he hits 40 goals a season.

Ummm not quite.

Terry was only with Zegras for a short part of the season. He only was when Getzlaf was out, and Terry's best stretch was early in the year when he was with Getzlaf.

Terry was the best player on his line all year, and the best player on the Ducks.
Both players were great for the Ducks, but largely did it on separate lines.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Not to mention Raymond is younger and he's not a one dimensional goalscorer. The guy is a legit playmaker and 2-way winger. I can see Raymond hitting 30g 50a 80pts in a season eventually. Zegras also looks like he will eventually become a point per game playmaking center. Who really knew about Sonny Milano outside of Anaheim before this year? Or how about Troy Terry? Their performances were lifted by playing with Zegras.

I don't think Caulfield is going to make that level of impact even if he hits 40 goals a season.

Anaheim didn’t even know about Milano… he started in AHL


For what it’s worth terry and zegras play very little together.

Zegras played with known superstars like Derek grant, deslauries, buddy Robinson, Gary Mayhew Milano and Rakell

 

[KingPuckChoo]

I still think Seider will win, I don't think Caufield will be nominated nor should he be based on half a year's performance part of being a player in this league is consistency. But I do think Caufield will end up a better scorer in the long term than the forwards who are nominated, and yes the numbers from the last half of the season bear that out.

Guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit huh?

you seem angry man, don't worry your montreal media has overhyped him enough

a team will eventually give you Lemieux + Bourque + 1st + 1st + 1st + 1st + 50% retained for him

you can stop hyping now

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Montreal fans trying to argue bad coaching for half a season to Detroit fans is one of the funnier things going on in HF right now.

 

[Colezuki]

you seem angry man, don't worry your montreal media has overhyped him enough

a team will eventually give you Lemieux + Bourque + 1st + 1st + 1st + 1st + 50% retained for him

you can stop hyping now

It’s ok byfields about to breakout any moment now, same with turcotte

 

[WingsMJN2965]

It’s ok byfields about to breakout any moment now, same with turcotte

This is a weird chirp considering LAK has been better than Montreal in the last decade, is better now, and is set up better for the future.

 

[WF19]

Sieder would not be the #1D in Toronto. He may well be the ROY, but their is no way he would be called on to have the responsibility of such a role on a 115 point playoff team. Morgan Rielly is “the clear number one dman” on the Leafs and that wouldn’t change if Sieder had magically switched teams to play for Toronto this season.

Sieder is probably already a top 10 d in the league. Reilly is not.

Tw

It’s hard for a defenceman to win the Calder, especially when 42% of his points come from the PP.

Edited because I am dumb

Like when Zetterberg stole the Calder from Johnson? Oh wait.

 

[Athanaseeyoulater]

Hard to believe there have only been 10 rookie defensemen in the past 40 years to hit 50 points and Seider is one of them.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

It’s ok byfields about to breakout any moment now, same with turcotte

we're literally in the playoffs
your team is literally 32nd overall
that's all that matters
thanks for Danault btw
hope you guys are enjoying Clague

you really need to take a course on dissing people lol

 

[WingsMJN2965]

we're literally in the playoffs
your team is literally 32nd overall
that's all that matters
thanks for Danault btw
hope you guys are enjoying Clague

you really need to take a course on dissing people lol

Montreal fans are probably the last team that should be criticizing anybody on drafting centers in the top 5 and busting them, anyways.

KK and Galchy say hi.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Tw

It’s hard for a defenceman to win the Calder, especially when 42% of his points come from the PP.

Edited because I am dumb

Struggling to find the issue with Seider’s 42% on the PP considering:

Roman Josi - 38.5%
Cale Makar - 39.5%
Victor Hedman - 44.7%
Adam Fox - 44.6%

Seems like good company to me.

 

[Panthaz89]

I still think Seider will win, I don't think Caufield will be nominated nor should he be based on half a year's performance part of being a player in this league is consistency. But I do think Caufield will end up a better scorer in the long term than the forwards who are nominated, and yes the numbers from the last half of the season bear that out.

Guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit huh?

you are defending a guy who got sent down for bad play in the middle of the season lmao.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

you are defending a guy who got sent down for bad play in the middle of the season lmao.

It’s all bad coaching!!!

 

[nbwingsfan]

I actually think it’s close between him and Raymond but I give it to Zegras because of his position.

As in you think Raymond is above Seider? I think I speak for all Wings fans when I say Seider was the much better rookie

 

[nbwingsfan]

I bet you didn't watch a single game of the habs all season outside of when the kings played them, and I bet that your baseless speculation above is not based on any reality but your own pontification to feel intelligent, newsflash all it reveals is that your knowledge of Hockey is limited to your own team.

To even prove it whose game on our team took the biggest jump from last year to this year even with Ducharme? What we're the stylistic differences in our team play? Why did Caufields play not immediately improve under MSL but instead took a couple games to ramp up? When Ducharme took over did we even improve from Julien? Why we're we able to turn it on so strongly in the playoffs? I bet you can't answer a single one of those points. Instead you've speculated throughout based on narratives you read on HF and presented your opinion as a fact.

Fact - Ducharme era the conversation was that Caufield belonged in the AHL, and that the habs rushed him, MSL era he is the 6th ranked scorer in the league in the last half (ish) of the season and is fine where he is.

I still think Seider will win, I don't think Caufield will be nominated nor should he be based on half a year's performance part of being a player in this league is consistency. But i do think Caufield will end up a better scorer in the long term than the forwards who are nominated, and yes the numbers from the last half of the season bear that out.


Cool I can play this game too

Caufield = 23 goals in 67 games
Trevor Zegras = 23 Goals in 75 games
Raymond = 23 goals in 82 games
Bunting = 23 goals in 79 games

Now do assists

 

[ThankGord]

Seider was 35th in the league in average ice time playing over 23 minutes a game (all 82) and 9th in blocks on top of his 50 points. His impact on the game as a whole was greater than the rest of the field IMO.