Moose/Prospects that could make the jump to the Jets next year

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yawn...:p

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[wasup]

Roslovic is the only lock.

Niku gets the first 9 for sure.. I'm hoping he makes the big club with Poolman as the 7th. Poolman is a bit of a multi-tool. He can sub in anywhere so he's a perfect press box guy.

Vesa - no way. Whole year on the Moose (which I think is the right move)
Petan - Hoping he gets a chance but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets under 5 games all year. He just doesn't seem to be in the plans. Not particularly fast and doesn't produce at an eye-popping rate in the AHL

I like Poolman,s first pass to much to have him in the press box

 

[Daximus]

Interesting discussion on Petan. Some comparibles:

Jonathan Marchessault:

Scored 172 points in 206 AHL games in his first three pro years for a 0.83 ppg. He went on to play another 100 AHL games before he made the NHL full time.

Our own Mathieau Perrault:

Scored 135 points in 165 games his first 3 seasons of a pro in the AHL for a .81 ppg. He made the NHL full time in his 4th pro season.

Tyler Johnson: played an overage season in the WHL and then scored 133 points in 137 games for a .97 ppg. He made it to the NHL full time in his 4th eligible pro year.

Petan will be heading into his 4th pro year next season. Through three AHL years he's scored 89 points in 108 games for a 0.82 ppg.

That puts his development inline with other smaller players like Perrault and Marchessault. It is also paints the picture that often times smaller skilled guys, especially players who aren't the fleetest of foot need significant development time before they are ready to play in the NHL.

Just looking at these comparables gives me some opptimisim that Petan can do What they did and make it full time this coming season.

The only downside is outside of Johnson the rest were in situations where the team that drafted them had to give up on them and they went elsewhere to breakout.

If Petan can work on his skating this off season and come into camp faster he has a good shot at making our roster.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Interesting discussion on Petan. Some comparibles:

Jonathan Marchessault:

Scored 172 points in 206 AHL games in his first three pro years for a 0.83 ppg. He went on to play another 100 AHL games before he made the NHL full time.

Our own Mathieau Perrault:

Scored 135 points in 165 games his first 3 seasons of a pro in the AHL for a .81 ppg. He made the NHL full time in his 4th pro season.

Tyler Johnson: played an overage season in the WHL and then scored 133 points in 137 games for a .97 ppg. He made it to the NHL full time in his 4th eligible pro year.

Petan will be heading into his 4th pro year next season. Through three AHL years he's scored 89 points in 108 games for a 0.82 ppg.

That puts his development inline with other smaller players like Perrault and Marchessault. It is also paints the picture that often times smaller skilled guys, especially players who aren't the fleetest of foot need significant development time before they are ready to play in the NHL.

Just looking at these comparables gives me some opptimisim that Petan can do What they did and make it full time this coming season.

Nice comparables. I honestly hope he's on the cusp of making the leap. We can use all of the good young players we can get.

 

[RandomJetsFan]

I'll toss this in as a possible dark horse thats only providing if we get the same one game mason again this upcoming season mikhail berdin as the potential call up to back up helly

 

[Dirty30]

I honestly think Petan can give you the exact same production as Perreault if given the same opportunity. Younger, cheaper, less injury prone. IMO I’d keep Petan and trade Perreault for picks or prospects. Could be packaged up in a bigger deal.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think we trade Petan to Vancouver. He's from there and Travis Green has gotten as many old Portland Winterhawks as he could.

I'd love for us to give Petan a chance, but he's likely not even going to crack the fourth line with how high quality and how deep the depth is. We might even have to trade Mason Appleton in the future our roster is so high quality.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I dont see a spot for Petan. Lemieux Lowry Copp be solid tho.

 

[Jack722]

I honestly think Petan can give you the exact same production as Perreault if given the same opportunity. Younger, cheaper, less injury prone. IMO I’d keep Petan and trade Perreault for picks or prospects. Could be packaged up in a bigger deal.

Difference is Petan needs to be sheltered and Perrault carries his lines. Dangerous to get rid of Perreault IMO

 

[sipowicz]

I dont see a spot for Petan. Lemieux Lowry Copp be solid tho.

Don't think Copp is as solid as many believe, Lowry's lack of any kind of scoring-touch is problematic!

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Don't think Copp is as solid as many believe, Lowry's lack of any kind of scoring-touch is problematic!

Hes a very good defensive center. Lowry isnt asked to score goals. Hes asked to prevent them.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I honestly think Petan can give you the exact same production as Perreault if given the same opportunity. Younger, cheaper, less injury prone. IMO I’d keep Petan and trade Perreault for picks or prospects. Could be packaged up in a bigger deal.

I dunno. Hes had opportunity and has done very little with it. You can talk about who hes played with but... When you arent gonna be in the top 6, cuz lets be real, Petan isnt top 6 on this team... You have to make your mark in the bottom 6 and he hasn't done that yet. I like Petan but this idea that a guy who couldn't crack the bottom 6 can replace Perreault is crazy talk

 

[Jack722]

Don't think Copp is as solid as many believe, Lowry's lack of any kind of scoring-touch is problematic!

Lowry's scoring rates are decent, especially considering his high end matchups. I think Lowry is a huge reason for our great home record.

 

[sipowicz]

Lowry's scoring rates are decent, especially considering his high end matchups. I think Lowry is a huge reason for our great home record.

Lowry's scoring rates were decent, not so much lately!

 

[sipowicz]

Hes a very good defensive center. Lowry isnt asked to score goals. Hes asked to prevent them.

You can't just rely on good defensive game or James friggin Wright would still be in the NHL! Yeah I get that Lowry is good defensively and a big body and all that but at the NHL level you still need to chip in a goal every 10 games, both Lowry and Copp can't!

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Lowry scores a goal every 5.5 games and Copp scores a goal every 9 games. Real good 4th line numbers

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Ahem

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Difference is Petan needs to be sheltered and Perrault carries his lines. Dangerous to get rid of Perreault IMO

Perreault is going to be a cap casualty. If not this year, then next. We can't keep everybody and he looks to be the odd man out. I don't see trading Connor so that we can keep Perreault.

Petan is not as good as Perreault. I think that is absolute. But he might be an adequate replacement.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Don't think Copp is as solid as many believe, Lowry's lack of any kind of scoring-touch is problematic!

Name some 3C's who are better than Lowry - net effect of offense & defense.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

At what point is petan is what he is? And right now hes a fringe NHL player.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I dunno. Hes had opportunity and has done very little with it. You can talk about who hes played with but... When you arent gonna be in the top 6, cuz lets be real, Petan isnt top 6 on this team... You have to make your mark in the bottom 6 and he hasn't done that yet. I like Petan but this idea that a guy who couldn't crack the bottom 6 can replace Perreault is crazy talk

Making your mark in the bottom 6 does not mean it must be the 4th line with Thor.

It isn't that he must be top 6. He only failed with plugs like Thorburn. That was most of the opportunity he had. He had success in his brief shot with skilled players. There is no reason to conclude that he would not succeed on a scoring 3rd line. Put him with Rosie and Armia and see what happens. If he still flops then he looks like an AHL lifer or Euro leaguer.

Edit: A checking 3rd line would be a different story but where is it written in stone that all 3rd lines must be checking lines? I guess we could call the Lowry line the 3rd line but then we have a scoring 4th line.

 

[HannuJ]

Perreault is going to be a cap casualty. If not this year, then next. We can't keep everybody and he looks to be the odd man out. I don't see trading Connor so that we can keep Perreault.

Petan is not as good as Perreault. I think that is absolute. But he might be an adequate replacement.

Someone come up with a metric that takes points, Corsi, games played and then compares that at value per salary.
I would think Matty's metrics take a small beating if that is done

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Someone come up with a metric that takes points, Corsi, games played and then compares that at value per salary.
I would think Matty's metrics take a small beating if that is done

He has avg'd 67.4 games per season since the lockout. That has to reduce his value a bit. In spite of that he has avg'd 41.8 pts/yr. That is a 50.8 p/yr pace. That's why he gets 4.125 AAV instead of 4.75, more or less. I don't know what the league avg is but it is normal for players to miss games. Maybe around 75 games avg? Just a guess.

That scoring has been pretty consistent. He could probably stay healthier if he changed his style of play but it is that style that makes him so good. He epitomizes the "pack of wolves".

I just hope we get good value for him when he has to be moved.

 

[Atoyot]

Not saying that he'll make the jump full time, but I would not be surprised at all to see Spacek get some NHL time next season.

 

[DJBiffWPG]

I dont see a spot for Petan. Lemieux Lowry Copp be solid tho.

Lemieux has done nothing to show himself as an NHL player.