Montreal worst NHL city to play in?
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Scintillating10
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gunnerdom
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The shocking part is that not everybody already knew this. Quebec taxes are so freakin' high. I'm saving thousands in taxes since I moved to Ottawa along with getting better services.
Quebec is a ripoff. This information is new to you?
50% of my salary is taxed too, and I don't make over 900k a year. Forgive me for not feeling too sympathetic
Also there are 10x more opportunities for endorsements in Montreal or Toronto than any other hockey city. They probably make up for the loss with that.
If you want to really get annoyed, look into how much built in taxes there are on retail items, the fact that you pay 15% on top of that, etc. You pay more for everything here and there's a reason for that, without such high taxes the QC gov couldn't afford to give out as many jobs as they do. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either you go play somewhere without taxes and they don't care about hockey, or you go somewhere that they do care and pay through the nose.
I think at the end of the day, we're still a lot more appealing than places like Winnipeg or Edmonton, and even some American cities where hockey isn't big. Some players only care so much about money too so I think at the end of the day, it works in our favor. We only get people who want to play here, not greedy tools who only care about money.
You'd think with 10 employees doing 1 persons job here in Quebec versus 1 employee doing 1 persons job in Ontario, it'd be better here. Nope, people here use and abuse the system and aren't even held accountable. Sad but service from the government here is brutal. Those are the very same people that are the reason taxes go up and up here.
50% of my salary is taxed too, and I don't make over 900k a year. Forgive me for not feeling too sympathetic
Also there are 10x more opportunities for endorsements in Montreal or Toronto than any other hockey city. They probably make up for the loss with that.
If you want to really get annoyed, look into how much built in taxes there are on retail items, the fact that you pay 15% on top of that, etc. You pay more for everything here and there's a reason for that, without such high taxes the QC gov couldn't afford to give out as many jobs as they do. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either you go play somewhere without taxes and they don't care about hockey, or you go somewhere that they do care and pay through the nose.
I think at the end of the day, we're still a lot more appealing than places like Winnipeg or Edmonton, and even some American cities where hockey isn't big. Some players only care so much about money too so I think at the end of the day, it works in our favor. We only get people who want to play here, not greedy tools who only care about money.
You'd think with 10 employees doing 1 persons job here in Quebec versus 1 employee doing 1 persons job in Ontario, it'd be better here. Nope, people here use and abuse the system and aren't even held accountable. Sad but service from the government here is brutal. Those are the very same people that are the reason taxes go up and up here.
It's absolutely horrible they all have their hands out for food stamps.
Money ain't everthing the top guys all have plenty.
rockjngo
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Not sure if highest taxes has anything to do with being worst city to play in. From interviews, all hockey players say Montreal is the best city to play in, the atmosphere is incredible.
Sure you got Price, Subban, Markov on the list, but they forgot to mention Phaneuf, Karlsson both very close. I don't think Toronto or Ottawa is the worst city to play in, but taxes are high for sure.
Sure you got Price, Subban, Markov on the list, but they forgot to mention Phaneuf, Karlsson both very close. I don't think Toronto or Ottawa is the worst city to play in, but taxes are high for sure.
Agnostic
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I don't think the author has all the facts. Canadian resident players get taxed at the canadian/provincial rates only for games played in Canada, which is significant for Canadian team members but nevertheless 3/4 of the league is US based. Not mentioned is that Alberta has a "jock tax" . Also not mentioned is that US tax law blends tax rates based on where you earn it, so a Texas based American player playing a game in New York would have those earnings taxed at NY rates.
I have always believed that Montreal have focused on American players because they are the least "penalized" for playing in QC, based on their residency, and so easier to lure. Pacioretty is more insulated from taxation then let's say Carey Price.
Anyway the subject line is bad and should be changed.
I have always believed that Montreal have focused on American players because they are the least "penalized" for playing in QC, based on their residency, and so easier to lure. Pacioretty is more insulated from taxation then let's say Carey Price.
Anyway the subject line is bad and should be changed.
Agnostic
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To illustrate how the subject line of this thread is wrong, the lowest taxation rates in Canada can be found in Alberta. Don't hear players clamouring to play in Calgary and Edmonton.
Awfull ! Can't believe we taxe our millionaire star players that much and for what ? So that middle income families can get affordable childcare programs ?
No wonder we can't win the Cup ! This society is sick, I'm telling you !!!
No wonder we can't win the Cup ! This society is sick, I'm telling you !!!
Barriwhite
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Non-issue for players having a residence and spending 183+ days in the US
I've posted this a few times, and I don't understand how this isn't more widely known.
This issue has been irrelevant for some time now. All they have to do us spend a day more than half the year in the us and they will only pay us federal and state tax. There is an exception specific to athletes part of leagues regularly playing in both countries in the us-can tax treaty. One of the reasons they bolt right after the habs are done at the end of the season/playoffs.
https://www.fin.gc.ca/treaties-conventions/usa_-eng.asp
Article XVI, 3(a)
I've posted this a few times, and I don't understand how this isn't more widely known.
This issue has been irrelevant for some time now. All they have to do us spend a day more than half the year in the us and they will only pay us federal and state tax. There is an exception specific to athletes part of leagues regularly playing in both countries in the us-can tax treaty. One of the reasons they bolt right after the habs are done at the end of the season/playoffs.
https://www.fin.gc.ca/treaties-conventions/usa_-eng.asp
Article XVI, 3(a)
Burke the Legend
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Obviously there's not much sympathy for hockey millionaires, but anyone who works at a decent middle class professional job in Quebec is in the same situation of 50% taxes so kind of sad to just see people mocking them: Taxed way higher than even Ontario, let alone western provinces or US states. And for what? Crummy roads, much worse medical services, huge debt, pathetic economic growth.
Westhead is from Toronto. So why do you think he comes out with this thing. He is trying to scare away any Hab attempt to land a good trade.
Some of what he says IS true but NOT the whole picture.
Why NOT title his report Texas, Florida, Tennessee to best places to play hockey tax wise. then go on to state that all NHL players should just move to those states and play for those teams. No Canadian team stands a chance in the free market UFA players. By the way it's way more expensive to live in Toronto to start with. Yet Westhead titles MONTREAL worst place to play in the NHL. HUMM! By the way Texas?? well more people get KILLED in Texas. Everyone has 10 guns, drive by shootings and such. Racial profiling and where insane people can still BUY a gun without a full background check. You see I can make things look good OR bad for any city.
Some of what he says IS true but NOT the whole picture.
Why NOT title his report Texas, Florida, Tennessee to best places to play hockey tax wise. then go on to state that all NHL players should just move to those states and play for those teams. No Canadian team stands a chance in the free market UFA players. By the way it's way more expensive to live in Toronto to start with. Yet Westhead titles MONTREAL worst place to play in the NHL. HUMM! By the way Texas?? well more people get KILLED in Texas. Everyone has 10 guns, drive by shootings and such. Racial profiling and where insane people can still BUY a gun without a full background check. You see I can make things look good OR bad for any city.
habdynasty
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Quebec is a ripoff. This information is new to you?
50% of my salary is taxed too, and I don't make over 900k a year. Forgive me for not feeling too sympathetic
Also there are 10x more opportunities for endorsements in Montreal or Toronto than any other hockey city. They probably make up for the loss with that.
If you want to really get annoyed, look into how much built in taxes there are on retail items, the fact that you pay 15% on top of that, etc. You pay more for everything here and there's a reason for that, without such high taxes the QC gov couldn't afford to give out as many jobs as they do. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either you go play somewhere without taxes and they don't care about hockey, or you go somewhere that they do care and pay through the nose.
I think at the end of the day, we're still a lot more appealing than places like Winnipeg or Edmonton, and even some American cities where hockey isn't big. Some players only care so much about money too so I think at the end of the day, it works in our favor. We only get people who want to play here, not greedy tools who only care about money.
You'd think with 10 employees doing 1 persons job here in Quebec versus 7-8 employee doing 1 persons job in Ontario, it'd be better here. Nope, people here use and abuse the system and aren't even held accountable. Sad but service from the government here is brutal. Those are the very same people that are the reason taxes go up and up here.
Fixed. Ontario has less problems, but all provinces and Canada as a whole has a lot of managing problem.
I remember when they told someone I know that was making an internship at Revenue Canada to work slower or they wouldn't have stuff to make him do....
WhiskeySeven*
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Want to live in one of the safest, cleanest, most cultural cities in the world? A city that loves hockey and loves life?
Pay up.
You anti-taxers forget that.
Edit: I've lived in a tax-less city, it sucked. I've also been living in NYC, not as high taxes but expensive as hell, also has many flaws.
Montreal is a special, special city.
Pay up.
You anti-taxers forget that.
Edit: I've lived in a tax-less city, it sucked. I've also been living in NYC, not as high taxes but expensive as hell, also has many flaws.
Montreal is a special, special city.
jpchabby
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Yup. Personnally I don't mind paying taxes if it means that social services are offered to people who need it most. The use of these taxes made by the government is one hell of another problem though...
Montreal is just a great place to live in, whether you pay a lot of taxes or not. So... I don't really see the point of this thread. I'm sure many plaers would love to play for the habs, because if you perform in here, you'll be a city hero more than anyone can imagine.
That's what a real hockey city is all about.
It's called Socialism, you are paying for corruption and for people to not work. You are paying for students to protest on the street, you are paying for people to work seasonally but collect unemployment. I'm shocked that people are bringing this up, I thought everyone already knew this.
Agnostic
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It appears you are interpreting this as meaning if you stay 183 days a year in the US you don't pay Canadian taxes, which is absolutely incorrect. All income earned in Canada is taxed in Canada. The Article cited deals with artists and athletes which are paid from tournament earnings etc. , 3(a) simply states that team athletes are employees and not subject to this article.
DailyKaizen
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One can always "offset" "high taxes" by maxing the numerous tax credits allocated to them.
Borrowing the no excuses mantra...but it is not how much you earn or how much you pay in income taxes that is important...it is actually your frugality, savvy discipline to do and live with less a that shall really define your financial wealth. We are all better served being opportunity minded rather than problem(s) minded.
Borrowing the no excuses mantra...but it is not how much you earn or how much you pay in income taxes that is important...it is actually your frugality, savvy discipline to do and live with less a that shall really define your financial wealth. We are all better served being opportunity minded rather than problem(s) minded.
Burke the Legend
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Do you think high taxes and incompetent govt make it special or something? Red herring arguement.
People make it special, and ambitious younger people are being chased away by this climate.
WhiskeySeven*
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All things being equal, sure, but living in a city as big, as safe, as cultural and as hockey-mad as Montreal makes up for a lot of things.
Dallas has nothing on Montreal, neither does Minnesota or Calgary or Detroit or whatever.
A winning organization is the biggest draw.
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